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[Shannon Ricles] All right.

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Hi, everyone.

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Thank you so much for joining us today for our webinar.

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We welcome Susan Langley,

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who will be sharing with us about Mallows Bay,

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The Ghost Fleet and Beyond.

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And I'm Shannon Ricles.

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I am the Education and Outreach Coordinator

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for both Monitor National Marine Sanctuary

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and Mallows Bay-Potomac River National Marine Sanctuary,

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and I will be one of your hosts today.

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[Jessie Frayser] And I'm Jesse Frayser.

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The Education and Outreach Support Specialist

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for Monitor and Mallows National Marine Sanctuaries.

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<v ->This webinar is brought to you today by</v>

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NOAA's Monitor National Marine Sanctuary

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in collaboration with the North Carolina

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Office of State Archeology.

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<v ->Partnering since 1975, NOAA and the state of</v>

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North Carolina work to research, honor,

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and protect the hallmarks of North Carolina's

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underwater cultural heritage, shipwrecks.

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These shipwrecks hold information about

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the ever-changing technologies,

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and cultural and physical landscapes.

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They serve as a uniquely accessible underwater museum

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and a memorial to generations of mariners

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who lived, died, worked, and fought off our shores.

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This is one of many webinars that we'll be hosting

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in the coming months for the Submerged

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North Carolina webinar series in collaboration with the

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North Carolina Office of State Archeology.

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<v ->Now, Monitor is just one of 15 national marine sanctuaries</v>

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and two marine national monuments in the

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National Marine Sanctuary System.

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And this system encompasses more than 620,000 square miles

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of Marine and Great Lakes water

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from Washington State to the Florida Keys.

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And from Lake Huron to American Samoa.

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And Mallows Bay is

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one of the sanctuaries that was created in 2019,

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and that's what we're gonna learn more about today.

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Now, during the presentation,

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all attendees will be in listen only mode.

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You are welcome to type questions for the presenter

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into the question box at the bottom of the control panel

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on the right-hand side of your screen.

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This is the same area you can let us know

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if you're having any technical issues

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that we can help you with.

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We'll be monitoring the questions and the technical issues,

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and we'll respond to them just as soon as we can.

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We are recording this session,

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and we'll share the recording with registered participants

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via the webinar archive page.

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And a URL for this webpage will be provided

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at the end of the presentation.

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<v ->So, today, we are excited to welcome</v>

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Dr. Susan Langley the State Underwater Archeologist

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for the state of Maryland.

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And so, we will pass that over to her.

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And, thank you, Susan.

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<v ->Okay, I'm sharing the screen with you, Susan.</v>

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<v ->[Dr. Susan Langley} Sorry, trying to find my screen.</v>

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<v ->There we go.</v>

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<v ->All right.</v>

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<v ->All right, perfect.</v>

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<v ->There we go.</v>

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Oops, no, I've lost my screen again, one moment.

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My apologies.

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<v ->We're seeing it, Susan.</v>

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<v ->All right, okay, there we go.</v>

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I was just trying to get the other panel off.

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Anyway, let's just jump right in, because

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I have way too much and they're gonna have to

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get the hook anyway.

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Mallows Bay-Potomac River National Marine Sanctuary.

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It's 30 miles south of Washington, DC.

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So, you get a sense of the location here.

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I think you can see my mouse.

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Here's Washington, here we are.

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Here is Quantico Marine Corps base.

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One of the vessels we'll talk about was,

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well, actually, we won't talk about it today.

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One of the vessels was built there.

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They have an abiding interest in Mallows

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and support us in a lot of different ways.

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The Mallows Sanctuary, I'm just gonna shorthand it,

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is about 17 square miles, or 11,000 plus acres,

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in Maryland state waters.

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Yes, they do go right to the Virginia shore.

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That's a bone of contention since colonial times.

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There are Virginia waters as well.

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largely, the vessels that are on the right hand side in red,

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that is Mallows Bay proper.

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And, also, cluster of vessels over here

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that share Virginia and Maryland waters,

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what's known as Widewater.

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Yes, the entire collection of vessels are on

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the National Register of Historic Places.

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As Shannon mentioned, the

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sanctuary was designated September 3rd, 2019.

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But we cleverly waited until November,

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on the coldest day of the year, to have our dedication.

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And we have a number of kiosks.

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Governor Hogan spoke and visited

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the site, and talked to all our volunteers.

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Mario Harley, at the bottom,

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is bringing greetings and blessings

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from the Piscataway Tribe.

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This is the ancestral lands of Piscataway First Nations.

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And we know they've been here for a long time.

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Father White, in colonial times, had contact.

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Did a number of drawings of the

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First Nations People of these regions.

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Archeologically, of course, there's a presence.

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And this presence is sustained until today.

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These are relatively new signs throughout the park,

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Mallows Bay Park.

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And the Piscataway are playing a very active role

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in interpretation of the site as well.

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So, we have a lot of partners.

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I'll talk a little bit more about some of the

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exciting things that are coming up

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as we go through the paper.

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If you like Sherman's Lagoon, I had to put this in.

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Jim Toomey has been a long time

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supporter of the sanctuaries.

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put together, for the month of October, in 2022, a virtual-

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Not virtual, printed,

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birthday card to the Sanctuaries Act,

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which was 50 years old.

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And he spent the month going through all the sanctuaries.

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I think he did all of them.

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If you wanna go back through the archives,

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Washington Post archives, you can check out

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your favorite sanctuary, which I hope is ours.

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that relate to Mallows Bay.

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We look at the whole area, both land, and water,

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and cultural, and natural, features

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very wholistically as a maritime landscape.

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there's various ways to interpret it.

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We are looking at various themes, perhaps.

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There are lots of different ways.

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But, as an example, I'm gonna pull out

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a transportation theme.

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This drawing is by a Colonel William Small.

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And it was in Charles County, where we are, 1861.

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the very first aerial surveillance by balloon

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from purpose-built vessels,

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in this case, it's from the ground,

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took place to surveil the Confederate lines.

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Samuel Pierpont Langley,

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yes, he may be a distant relative, I'm not sure.

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in the early 20th century.

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1903 to 1911.

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Basically, they sling shotted these aircraft

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off this houseboat.

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They were not powered.

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He wasn't contending with the Wright brothers.

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But we do have those bits of evidence.

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We do not yet have any First Nations watercraft.

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Revolutionary War, a small boat from a larger ship

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that went in to look for water.

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theme that can be interpreted.

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This vessel is still there,

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and I wanna talk about it a little bit.

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It was built as the Virginia Lee in 1928.

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It's a steamboat.

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It carried troops to World War II.

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across most of the Chesapeake,

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from the tip of the Delmarva Peninsula to mainland Virginia

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until they built the bridge tunnel.

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rebuilt, in the upper left, in 1952.

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Very different, you wouldn't recognize 'em almost.

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Same vessel, renamed the Accomac with this big spoon bow.

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And it caught fire in '65,

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disappeared from the steamship company's register in '72,

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and appeared in Mallows Bay.

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How you sneak in a vessel that large,

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it's a very rural area, but it's a surprise.

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our most recent addition.

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The stern end is underwater, unfortunately,

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but it does give you, if you paddle out to it,

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and I'll show some images later,

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the size of the vessels that are in the World War I fleet,

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that's positioned here, because it's about 265 feet long,

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and that's a good average.

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That's a good average for our vessels.

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So, it's a bit of a sentinel.

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It's one of the few, it is the only metal hull,

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completely metal hull vessel.

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And it's being studied as well.

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The study is part of a master's thesis for bio corrosion.

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And I'll come back to some of the research

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being undertaken later.

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But this is one of the focus, main foci of our sanctuary.

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It was one of the reasons we were able to,

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you know, bring it to the forefront.

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It is the largest homogeneous collection of

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historic vessels in the world.

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There are larger collections of vessels

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that were just randomly brought together

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for breaking up in India and Africa.

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But this is built for one purpose and in one place.

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So, background a little bit.

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These are not Navy vessels,

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they are merchant marine.

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During the First World War, the government set up the

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US Shipping Board Emergency Fleet Corporation.

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And the purpose was to build, at that time,

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a thousand ships quickly.

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They're gonna be old technology, wood-built, steam ships.

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But the purpose was to have enough vessels going over

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with supplies to our beleaguered allies

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that some of them would get through.

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How to tell if you're, you know,

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disposable or not, you know?

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But they ended up not building the full thousand.

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They determined to bill, contracted for 730.

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98 were completed at the end of the war.

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In 1919, 264 were completed, others were canceled.

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Only 195 ever crossed the Atlantic,

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and that was after the war.

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So, it sounds a bit of a boondoggle,

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but there are silver linings all the way along to this.

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And I'll tell you a little story.

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The middle poster's my favorite.

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In the clouds of steam, you can see cavalry,

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and biplanes, and submarines, and this massive launch.

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The story is that only 94 vessels were ready to launch,

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but the posters were already made.

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So, we'll go along with it and,

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you know, not ruin a good story totally.

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One of the purposes, if you're going to build 730 vessels,

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you need enough personnel to fully train

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to the same standards to man them.

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the American Merchant Marine.

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That's one of the big points.

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I'm gonna make three big points.

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This is one of the big ones.

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Merchant Mariners always existed,

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but this actually brought them together

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under coherent training practices for this fleet.

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And, if you look at the scale at the top,

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contribution during the war.

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Unfortunately, they are not considered veterans.

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Nor are any Merchant Mariners after World War II.

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Only World War II.

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So, the Merchant Marine are still working

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to gain this status.

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There are very few monuments.

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There's one, this is a Navy Merchant Marine monument

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on Lady Bird Johnson Park, on Columbia Island.

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It was actually dedicated in 1934.

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You can see there are seven seagulls for the seven seas.

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And this big cresting wave.

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Very beautiful but shared.

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This is one of the only two I know of

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dedicated Merchant Marine memorials.

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This is in Battery Park, New York City.

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And it's from a photograph taken by the

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U-boat captain who sank that vessel.

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And none of these men actually survived from the photograph.

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But, very poignantly, the sailor in the water

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symbolically drowns twice a day with the tide changes.

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So, a World War II monument

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dedicated solely to Merchant Mariners.

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And there's one other I've found on the

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eastern shore of Maryland at the,

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on the Marine Engineers Benevolent Association campus.

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It's private, but the park is open,

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and you can go and visit the memorial.

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So, we have the coalescence of the Merchant Mariners.

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This is a map.

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It was put together by Donald Schomad,

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who's a well-known maritime author who did a,

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has a book, Ghost Fleet of Mallows Bay.

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Most of the research on the history,

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which we're all adding now.

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This is a shipyard representing,

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all of the shipyards that are listed here

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have a vessel in Mallows Bay as of 1929.

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So, we know there were at least 58 shipyards

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contributed vessels to Mallows Bay.

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I've since located about another dozen,

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so we can say at least 70 shipyards

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were built or were established to build vessels

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for this World War I fleet.

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And that brings me to, sort of, the second big point.

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Because of these facilities being created,

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because of all the people they trained,

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America was propelled to the forefront of

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shipbuilding for the 20th century.

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So, that's the second outgrowth of this construction,

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of this fleet.

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So, it does have a big silver lining.

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The plans for these are fairly available.

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And I'll come back to a little mystery

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that has recently solved.

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There were ten designs.

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Nine of which are seen in, somewhere,

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represented in Mallows Bay.

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You look at the bottom right, it says supple and ballin.

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That was one of the designs.

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And then, at the top, it lists the names of

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some of the vessels built to that design.

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The Chief Naval Architect for this whole

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company was Theodore Ferris.

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And, the most,

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the largest number of vessels of one design

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were Ferris designed vessels.

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Sorry, I'm just getting ahead of myself here.

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This is a number of the vessels when they're,

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you know, afloat.

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And they're, you know, quite dramatic, as I said,

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that we had, 264 ended up being built.

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This is a lovely one of the, I believe this is the,

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the first one was the Rockland.

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Or, pardon me, the Utoka.

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It was built in Rockland, Maine.

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It is at Mallows.

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This one is the Benago built in 1918,

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but I've put it in because it has

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what's known as dazzle camouflage.

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Sadly, all photos are black and white,

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but I've seen watercolors.

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It's shades of blue, and gray, and black, and white

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that look like light refracting off the water.

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So, they're much more art deco looking

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than others we've seen.

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I wanna spend a bit of time here.

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This is in Alexandria, Virginia.

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It is where Jones Point Park stands now,

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which is right under the Woodrow Wilson Bridge.

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If you know the area, right where you cross

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into DC from Virginia.

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And a lot of ships were being built in this area.

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And, interestingly enough, this is sort of where

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the fleet story comes full circle.

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Because, let's take it from here.

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The war ends.

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It ended a little bit before it was anticipated.

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That's never a bad thing.

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But you have 264 wooden steamships

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that are very slow, speed-wise,

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very large to fill cargo.

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What do you with them?

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You'd say, "Well, we'll sell them off."

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Okay, you can try.

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And they did sell a number into private service.

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But you have a lot of metal hulls and diesel engines

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coming back from the theater of war.

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So, it's really hard to sell these.

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As I said, they did sell a number of them.

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I think they ended up,

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well, I'll come back to it.

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We sold a number of them, 18 of them were in Baltimore.

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14 of which, I must say, are a bulkhead.

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But a number of them were used by the

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Davidson Chemical Company to sail to

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Cuba and bring back pyrites.

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So, you didn't need to fill it completely with a heavy load.

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But the problem was, if you had to wait around,

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or move up and down the coast to get a full cargo,

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it's costing you money.

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You can't take anything perishable,

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because it moves too slowly.

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So, it was really hard to sell them.

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And, even the ones that were carrying pyrites,

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ended up being abandoned after two years.

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So, they have what-

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After they've made their sales, they have 233 ships left.

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And they put them out for bid.

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And it took three bids to, finally,

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get a company to buy them.

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And it bought the entire fleet.

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Two California lawyers set up the

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Western Marine and Salvage Company.

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Bought the entire fleet for $750,000,

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the cost of one vessel.

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There are still vessels scattered around.

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There's still some in Texas.

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There's still some in Virginia.

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They're out there anyway.

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But the gentleman, then, took the vessels and-

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Oh, you can see a better shot of it here.

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You can see the Jones Point light.

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So, it gives you a better sense of it.

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But they left these moored off of Widewater, Virginia,

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basically down where the sanctuary is.

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And they would bring a few up at a time

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to break them down in this yard.

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Most of the engines and things were out of them.

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They were tearing the wood apart to get cross strapping,

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cross strap metal, that ran between the frames,

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or ribs as you call 'em, and the outer hull.

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And they wanted that metal, and they wanted the drift pins,

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the big spikes that held them together.

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So, if you go there today, there is still one shipways left

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that you can visit from World War I.

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Here's the Woodrow Wilson Bridge.

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So, Jones Point Park in Alexandria.

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The vessels were,

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due to a number of economic and political problems,

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they decided they would stop using Alexandria

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and they would just break them down at Widewater.

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They bought the land over at Mallows Bay

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and we're pulling them up on the shore there.

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Breaking them down, and burning them,

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and settling them into the harbor.

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Strangely enough, coincided with the downturn

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in the fishing industry, despite being,

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locals being assured that the charcoal

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would sweeten the water and be good for fish.

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Probably not.

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Now, the company did these mass burns.

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Here's one of the extreme ones.

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And this is at the mouth of the, of Mallows.

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But vessels would break loose in storms,

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sail off, become hazards to navigation.

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They would catch fire without being set on fire.

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And the responders for the area were the Marine Corps.

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And this got old for them very quickly.

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And they insisted the company corral these vessels.

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So, they were all pushed into Mallows Bay,

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bow in, stern out, in parallel rows,

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and sort of burned down there

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or pulled up on shore and broken up.

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They put rocks in them to keep them from sailing away.

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And tried to drive stakes in around the front of the

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base, so they wouldn't go walk about.

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The Depression hits,

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and the company, which was always a bit sketchy, went under.

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The local people took it on.

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And this is the, my third big point is,

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it provided 15% of the per capita income

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for Charles County during the Great Depression.

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It's a very poor, rural county, especially at this time.

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And so, this was a huge boon to these people

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to survive the Depression.

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This is a 1929

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US Corps of Engineers survey of the Bay

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and the vessels in it.

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And, because of this map,

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most of them can be identified at this time.

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There's still some over on Widewater, Virginia,

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and we'll come back to those.

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The local folks, actually, once they started

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breaking it too, the company came back

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and tried to reclaim it.

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They went to court,

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they won the right to continue breaking it.

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So, the workers have the right to do this.

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They brought in this vessel.

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It's the Ida S. Dow.

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It was in an accident over in Newport

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News. It was, had been repaired, and no one wanted it.

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So, they brought it over as a dormitory and dining hall.

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It was same vintage.

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It was built in 1918 in Maine.

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And we were contacted by a gentleman who,

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to my knowledge, is still with us.

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Who said, "I was the last person alive

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to walk the decks of these ships."

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He was a child, his dad was a breaker, his mom was a cook.

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So, we're very lucky to have Mr. Arthur Willett

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giving us information on these sites.

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This one never exposes, we know where it is.

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It does not expose.

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I've never seen it surface at any time.

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So, it's one that, I still wanna dive on that one.

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So, this was, you know, one of the non-vessel,

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non-World War I vessels, and we will see more.

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So, let's have a comparison here.

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1929, this is based on the Corps map.

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You can see all the vessels.

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If you look up here at the top, near the compass,

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the shore is smooth.

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We see this accrete onto a vessel later.

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Here is

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19, oh, gosh, sorry, it's covered up on me,

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but I think this is in the '30s.

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And this is when the local folks are working on,

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we start to see barges appearing.

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And you start to see beginning of this spit.

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So, here we are, in 1952, big difference.

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We see lots of little barges that were brought in

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to help with the breaking process.

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The spit still hasn't fully accreted.

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And one of these ships is now under it,

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so I'm not sure which one.

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Many more of them are now unidentified.

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Every time one was removed, the rest shifted.

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So, it's become harder and harder to identify them.

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And here we are, in 1994.

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And these were produced, also by Donald Schomad,

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who was surveying the area for us.

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And, again, fewer are being identified.

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We do have, now, down here, there's the Accomac,

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our steamer, that's been brought in.

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This is the Ida S. Dow,

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that lovely schooner I just showed you.

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These are more pilings to try and contain the vessels.

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So, big difference between 1929 and 1994 here.

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And, of course, we know what happened between

523
00:21:35.130 --> 00:21:38.271
the thirties and the nineties here, the fifties.

524
00:21:38.271 --> 00:21:39.840
World War II happened.

525
00:21:39.840 --> 00:21:41.610
So, here's Mallows on Google Earth.

526
00:21:41.610 --> 00:21:42.843
We can see Quantico.

527
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.780
Here's an overview of it.

528
00:21:45.780 --> 00:21:48.510
And, you can see, here's the Accomac, our metal hull.

529
00:21:48.510 --> 00:21:50.070
This is the Ida S. Dow.

530
00:21:50.070 --> 00:21:52.980
This is the Benzonia, which hurricane Isabel

531
00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:56.610
lifted up in 2003 and dropped on the vessel beside it.

532
00:21:56.610 --> 00:21:58.020
And you can now see there's a spit here

533
00:21:58.020 --> 00:22:00.273
that's overgrown a couple of vessels.

534
00:22:01.264 --> 00:22:03.240
And this is what happened in World War II.

535
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.790
Bethlehem Steel was given authority to come down,

536
00:22:05.790 --> 00:22:09.060
take over breaking, they built, basically, a lock,

537
00:22:09.060 --> 00:22:11.640
or a burning basin, in the back of the bay.

538
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.890
And they would pull the ships from the closest point,

539
00:22:13.890 --> 00:22:16.470
that's why our big gap here, in here.

540
00:22:16.470 --> 00:22:18.840
And, you know, burn them down, flood them out.

541
00:22:18.840 --> 00:22:20.970
They could float them in, burn them,

542
00:22:20.970 --> 00:22:22.980
you know, drain it, collect the metal.

543
00:22:22.980 --> 00:22:24.420
They did about a dozen vessels,

544
00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:26.940
one of them upside the gates and 11 in there,

545
00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:29.677
and basically said, "This is not cost effective."

546
00:22:29.677 --> 00:22:31.050
"It's not worth it."

547
00:22:31.050 --> 00:22:33.663
And so, basically, that ended with the war.

548
00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:36.780
I will say, that there's a lot of drama

549
00:22:36.780 --> 00:22:39.030
between then and now with land ownership,

550
00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:41.880
and various efforts to remove the ships.

551
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.723
But, they're still there, so we're gonna just move forward.

552
00:22:46.512 --> 00:22:48.750
And this is what the bay looked like

553
00:22:48.750 --> 00:22:51.240
as late as 1948, in winter.

554
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:52.440
There's ice in between them.

555
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:55.440
You could still almost walk across it, on these vessels.

556
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.503
Again, these are each 265 feet long.

557
00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:04.320
One of the, I think one of the indicators we have of

558
00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:06.480
increasing sea level rise, if you will.

559
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.780
This area is tidal, although it's basically fresh water

560
00:23:09.780 --> 00:23:12.210
at this point, but it is still tidal.

561
00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:15.840
The vessels do not grow this much vegetation anymore.

562
00:23:15.840 --> 00:23:19.470
I took these in the mid '90s, '96 or so.

563
00:23:19.470 --> 00:23:21.330
And we had a fair bit of vegetation

564
00:23:21.330 --> 00:23:23.970
still growing on these vessels out in the water.

565
00:23:23.970 --> 00:23:25.800
That doesn't happen as much now.

566
00:23:25.800 --> 00:23:29.580
It does happen on one's closer to the shore, like these.

567
00:23:29.580 --> 00:23:31.032
And we have some that are, you know,

568
00:23:31.032 --> 00:23:32.670
because of the rocks in them,

569
00:23:32.670 --> 00:23:36.780
picking up all kinds of soil, and then seeds,

570
00:23:36.780 --> 00:23:38.460
and, you know, they become little,

571
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:40.760
you know, holders if you will, or flower pots.

572
00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:44.970
Here's an overview of it back in, again, the '90s.

573
00:23:44.970 --> 00:23:46.410
So you can see a lot more vegetation.

574
00:23:46.410 --> 00:23:48.090
Now, the ones near shore, down here,

575
00:23:48.090 --> 00:23:51.240
yes, these are virtually garden islands.

576
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.090
And you can see one of the Depression Era barges on here.

577
00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:58.800
This was result of a survey,

578
00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:01.200
a still taken from a survey that was undertaken by

579
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.190
Marine Robotics and Remote Sensing

580
00:24:04.563 --> 00:24:06.870
for Duke University and Syracuse University.

581
00:24:06.870 --> 00:24:08.010
And, to give you a sense of scale,

582
00:24:08.010 --> 00:24:10.140
you can see the kayakers in the upper center.

583
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:11.763
You can see people on the spit.

584
00:24:13.020 --> 00:24:15.150
And these massive, massive vessels.

585
00:24:15.150 --> 00:24:16.620
And we did, I guess we do still get some

586
00:24:16.620 --> 00:24:17.790
vegetation on some of them.

587
00:24:17.790 --> 00:24:20.763
It just doesn't strike me as quite as much as in the past.

588
00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:24.030
And, surveys like this, this is to three centimeters.

589
00:24:24.030 --> 00:24:25.620
So, the files are enormous.

590
00:24:25.620 --> 00:24:29.730
But we can use them in interpretive programs.

591
00:24:29.730 --> 00:24:32.490
And we are working up a whole bunch of new ones.

592
00:24:32.490 --> 00:24:35.790
We started out with getting waterproof paddling maps.

593
00:24:35.790 --> 00:24:37.710
We put out some seasonal buoys,

594
00:24:37.710 --> 00:24:41.340
they're not there right now, but they do go out seasonally.

595
00:24:41.340 --> 00:24:44.100
NOAA funds and our natural resources department

596
00:24:44.100 --> 00:24:47.243
puts out a data buoy every year for,

597
00:24:47.243 --> 00:24:50.850
not just the weather, and water temperatures, and things,

598
00:24:50.850 --> 00:24:53.460
which help the recreational boaters and the watermen,

599
00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:56.610
but also dissolved oxygen, salinity,

600
00:24:56.610 --> 00:24:58.410
and things that we need for studying

601
00:24:59.250 --> 00:25:00.990
the climatic effects on the bay.

602
00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.600
And also for biometric studies.

603
00:25:03.600 --> 00:25:05.520
So, our waterproof maps give you a little bit of

604
00:25:05.520 --> 00:25:06.930
history on this side.

605
00:25:06.930 --> 00:25:09.060
On the other side, there is flora, and fauna,

606
00:25:09.060 --> 00:25:10.770
and other information.

607
00:25:10.770 --> 00:25:13.683
We do have hiking maps as well for the park around.

608
00:25:14.901 --> 00:25:16.260
There is a story map we put together

609
00:25:16.260 --> 00:25:17.760
with Chesapeake Conservancy.

610
00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:19.503
But we continue to evolve these.

611
00:25:21.232 --> 00:25:24.330
And this does have sound, but I'm leaving it muted

612
00:25:24.330 --> 00:25:26.640
so I can talk over it for a moment.

613
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.621
But this is a available on the website.

614
00:25:28.621 --> 00:25:30.480
You can find it on YouTube.

615
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.350
You can just Google Mallows Bay virtual tour.

616
00:25:34.350 --> 00:25:37.170
But it is, if you have virtual reality goggles,

617
00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:38.730
it's amazing.

618
00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:40.552
I'm gonna pull it.

619
00:25:40.552 --> 00:25:41.385
Gosh.

620
00:25:41.385 --> 00:25:44.010
I guess we got sound after all on this one, there we go.

621
00:25:44.010 --> 00:25:46.950
I'm just gonna skip along with it to

622
00:25:46.950 --> 00:25:48.930
cover out, to show you some of the features,

623
00:25:48.930 --> 00:25:51.360
because it's four minutes and I can't take that.

624
00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:52.830
You can watch it yourself.

625
00:25:52.830 --> 00:25:54.330
If you have a touch screen or a mouse,

626
00:25:54.330 --> 00:25:56.550
you can still play with it 360.

627
00:25:56.550 --> 00:25:58.530
This is where a drone goes up in the sky

628
00:25:58.530 --> 00:25:59.790
and you can move it.

629
00:25:59.790 --> 00:26:01.849
I'll try not to make you too seasick.

630
00:26:01.849 --> 00:26:05.070
This is in autumn, so you can turn it right around.

631
00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:07.470
You can look below you at the kayakers.

632
00:26:07.470 --> 00:26:08.910
You can look above you.

633
00:26:08.910 --> 00:26:11.550
You can, there's our Benzonia,

634
00:26:11.550 --> 00:26:13.980
the one that got lifted up by the hurricane.

635
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:16.590
And you can play with this in general.

636
00:26:16.590 --> 00:26:18.333
In a bit, it moves along.

637
00:26:19.620 --> 00:26:21.660
And we get to go paddling.

638
00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:23.190
You can

639
00:26:23.190 --> 00:26:24.600
go, turn around and see the person

640
00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:25.650
who's paddling behind you.

641
00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:27.420
I think I can, I'm not in the water yet.

642
00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:28.380
There's one where you turn around,

643
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:30.150
the gentleman's right behind you paddling.

644
00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:32.580
But you can do this wonderful virtual tour there.

645
00:26:32.580 --> 00:26:35.700
As I said, there is audio with this,

646
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:37.980
but that's one of our newer contributions.

647
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:39.758
Now, I've gotta see if I can get outta this.

648
00:26:39.758 --> 00:26:41.008
It doesn't always let me.

649
00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:44.100
Oh, we got on, okay.

650
00:26:44.100 --> 00:26:46.770
Some very new stuff that isn't quite up yet,

651
00:26:46.770 --> 00:26:48.090
but will be soon.

652
00:26:48.090 --> 00:26:49.800
I wanna make sure I didn't skip something.

653
00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:50.913
I think I might have.

654
00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:54.360
Let me just back up one if I can.

655
00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:55.383
Nope, sorry.

656
00:26:56.280 --> 00:26:57.780
Maybe I did lose it.

657
00:26:57.780 --> 00:26:59.550
One of our, the doctoral,

658
00:26:59.550 --> 00:27:01.380
I have a doctoral student working on a site.

659
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:03.180
I'm a little bit mortified,

660
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:05.820
I think I've lost a slide, maybe, we'll see.

661
00:27:05.820 --> 00:27:07.590
She is actually putting the skin back

662
00:27:07.590 --> 00:27:10.893
on a number of the vessels and making them 3D.

663
00:27:12.030 --> 00:27:13.350
So, you can actually go in and see

664
00:27:13.350 --> 00:27:14.850
how they were constructed.

665
00:27:14.850 --> 00:27:16.740
And this is going to be featured in a

666
00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:21.420
whole bunch, if I will, a number of new layers of

667
00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:24.330
interpretation that are gonna be made available later,

668
00:27:24.330 --> 00:27:25.890
either late spring, early summer.

669
00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:27.660
But this is part of it.

670
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:31.140
She's also a recipient of the Nancy Foster Scholarship.

671
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:33.900
Very prestigious NOAA scholarship.

672
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:36.150
So, very cool stuff there.

673
00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:38.423
And, oops, oh, here we go.

674
00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:41.250
The woman who's doing this, Allyson Ropp,

675
00:27:41.250 --> 00:27:44.640
is also doing her doctorate on this ship, the Aowa.

676
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.860
And they put together these posters.

677
00:27:46.860 --> 00:27:50.370
East Carolina University held a field school at Mallows.

678
00:27:50.370 --> 00:27:51.780
Hopefully, they're going to hold more.

679
00:27:51.780 --> 00:27:53.430
I think they're in the planning.

680
00:27:53.430 --> 00:27:56.190
Overseen by Dr. Nathan Richards.

681
00:27:56.190 --> 00:28:00.150
And these drawings are, oh, goodness, let me just back up.

682
00:28:00.150 --> 00:28:01.470
Are five feet long.

683
00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:03.870
I've got some four footers on my wall at my office.

684
00:28:03.870 --> 00:28:06.300
So, you can't expect to read these, it's too small.

685
00:28:06.300 --> 00:28:07.470
But you can see, on the bottom one,

686
00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:09.630
the ship's profile of what it would be.

687
00:28:09.630 --> 00:28:12.093
You can see the dark gray of what's left of it.

688
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.530
Allyson is doing a study of the

689
00:28:16.530 --> 00:28:19.020
microbiome of the vessel to see what,

690
00:28:19.020 --> 00:28:20.460
you know, what's living on it.

691
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:21.450
Is it deleterious?

692
00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:22.620
Is it beneficial?

693
00:28:22.620 --> 00:28:23.640
What do we have?

694
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.050
What can we anticipate?

695
00:28:25.050 --> 00:28:27.840
Can we determine how long they have before they

696
00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:28.983
disappear entirely?

697
00:28:30.150 --> 00:28:32.460
The vessel above, the Bayou Teche,

698
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:34.501
was an additional study of interest.

699
00:28:34.501 --> 00:28:37.200
We were approached by a museum in Louisiana

700
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.630
where it was built on Lake Pontchartrain

701
00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:41.880
at the shipyard where it came from.

702
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:43.710
So, they wanna partner with us.

703
00:28:43.710 --> 00:28:45.870
But, one of the mysteries was,

704
00:28:45.870 --> 00:28:47.430
when students were mapping these,

705
00:28:47.430 --> 00:28:50.280
they did not match the plans.

706
00:28:50.280 --> 00:28:52.590
And you might say, "Geez, are we on the wrong boat?"

707
00:28:52.590 --> 00:28:53.680
Possibility.

708
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.760
Did the shipyards just do their own thing?

709
00:28:56.760 --> 00:28:57.860
You know, possibility.

710
00:29:00.150 --> 00:29:02.280
Dr. Richards just announced two weeks ago,

711
00:29:02.280 --> 00:29:04.860
at the Society for Historical Archeology meeting,

712
00:29:04.860 --> 00:29:07.830
that, through research, they've determined that

713
00:29:07.830 --> 00:29:11.373
the engineer, Ferris, and the naval architect,

714
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.970
was adamant that his designs were good.

715
00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:16.950
Other naval architects had said to him

716
00:29:16.950 --> 00:29:18.720
that there's problems.

717
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.217
And he didn't budge until Lloyd's of London said,

718
00:29:21.217 --> 00:29:24.420
"We won't certify these unless changes are made."

719
00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:27.000
Changes were made and plans do exist,

720
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.920
they're just not as widely distributed.

721
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.960
These match the approved plans.

722
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.170
So, thank goodness for Dr. Richard's research and his,

723
00:29:34.170 --> 00:29:36.750
you know, detective work, they were able to determine

724
00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:38.220
that these are the vessels we thought.

725
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:40.500
They are built to the correct plans.

726
00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:43.200
So, detective work, you know, is just very, very cool.

727
00:29:44.250 --> 00:29:45.083
All right.

728
00:29:46.189 --> 00:29:48.570
The 3D vessels you saw

729
00:29:48.570 --> 00:29:51.480
that Allyson Ropp is putting together

730
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.360
were sort of an outgrowth of another Master's program,

731
00:29:54.360 --> 00:29:55.770
a Master's thesis.

732
00:29:55.770 --> 00:29:58.410
And Taylor Pickard

733
00:29:58.410 --> 00:30:01.200
managed to do a sublime Master's during the height of COVID.

734
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.360
Trying to get research done was astounding.

735
00:30:03.360 --> 00:30:05.880
This vessel was in the back of our burning basin.

736
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.280
It's always just been called the Sea Scout boat.

737
00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:10.590
He was able to determine that it had sat

738
00:30:10.590 --> 00:30:12.840
at the torpedo factory in Alexandria.

739
00:30:12.840 --> 00:30:14.080
It's now an art gallery.

740
00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:16.770
'Til 1983, and was moved down here

741
00:30:16.770 --> 00:30:20.310
where there was a somewhat illicit boat club,

742
00:30:20.310 --> 00:30:22.380
as it was called, but it wasn't really legal,

743
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:24.870
and most of the vessels were half sunk anyway.

744
00:30:24.870 --> 00:30:26.820
And it was all taken out except this vessel.

745
00:30:26.820 --> 00:30:30.120
These are my photos from 1997.

746
00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:31.230
By the time he came out,

747
00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.840
and that's him wading out there in 2020.

748
00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:36.300
The one above is probably between the two.

749
00:30:36.300 --> 00:30:37.980
Somebody put a Santa on it for Christmas.

750
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:40.470
I have a hard time being mad about that.

751
00:30:40.470 --> 00:30:41.910
But it's going downhill quickly.

752
00:30:41.910 --> 00:30:44.070
So, he managed to get enough drawings,

753
00:30:44.070 --> 00:30:45.840
this is it last fall,

754
00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:48.810
to create, also, some of the early 3D models.

755
00:30:48.810 --> 00:30:50.370
You can see he used Sketch Fab.

756
00:30:50.370 --> 00:30:52.320
These do move, I'm not going to do it.

757
00:30:52.320 --> 00:30:55.230
But, you can see it, skin off, skin on.

758
00:30:55.230 --> 00:30:57.870
And so, when we saw that, we saw the potential for it,

759
00:30:57.870 --> 00:30:59.643
and that's been carried forward.

760
00:31:00.870 --> 00:31:02.550
Let's quickly run over to the

761
00:31:02.550 --> 00:31:04.440
other side of the river for a minute

762
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.293
to look at the wrecks over near Widewater here.

763
00:31:08.820 --> 00:31:10.050
These are volunteers from the

764
00:31:10.050 --> 00:31:12.300
Institute for Maritime History.

765
00:31:12.300 --> 00:31:15.660
And they have, out there documenting these.

766
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:18.750
Interestingly, without even using fancy side scan

767
00:31:18.750 --> 00:31:21.180
and magnetometer, which are mine.

768
00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:22.497
They actually took a fish finder out there

769
00:31:22.497 --> 00:31:24.990
and were able to determine

770
00:31:24.990 --> 00:31:27.720
that there aren't nine vessels as we thought.

771
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.120
There are actually maybe close to 15.

772
00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:31.530
And they're layered up like this.

773
00:31:31.530 --> 00:31:34.740
Again, remember how big these are, 265 feet.

774
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.560
We also have, here, the fastest vessel that was

775
00:31:37.560 --> 00:31:39.450
built in the fleet, in 17 days.

776
00:31:39.450 --> 00:31:41.610
And this is just getting the hull in the water.

777
00:31:41.610 --> 00:31:42.930
The first one built the north bend

778
00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:45.480
is actually in Mallows, it was 28 days.

779
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.663
So, this is an area that requires more research.

780
00:31:49.830 --> 00:31:51.150
This is one of the vessels that does

781
00:31:51.150 --> 00:31:52.650
tend to expose periodically.

782
00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.020
Well, it's exposed often, when we have low tides.

783
00:31:55.020 --> 00:31:57.300
I'm a little bit worried because it pivots a little bit.

784
00:31:57.300 --> 00:31:58.534
We don't want it go,

785
00:31:58.534 --> 00:32:00.750
it won't really go away, but it could break up.

786
00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:02.910
And, you can see, this is an area

787
00:32:02.910 --> 00:32:04.200
full of hazards for boating.

788
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:08.550
So, it's all charted as, you know, no boating here, please.

789
00:32:08.550 --> 00:32:11.280
It's something else we do have to warn guests about,

790
00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:13.470
you know, who show up with inflatable kayaks

791
00:32:13.470 --> 00:32:15.540
and cardboard foldable kayaks.

792
00:32:15.540 --> 00:32:19.260
They don't usually wanna listen, but it's not recommended.

793
00:32:19.260 --> 00:32:20.940
So, as I said, what what fun can you have?

794
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:22.890
What can you do at Mallows?

795
00:32:22.890 --> 00:32:24.720
Paddling among the wrecks, of course,

796
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.850
is always a good time, canoeing, kayaking.

797
00:32:26.850 --> 00:32:28.606
If you wanna get right in among them,

798
00:32:28.606 --> 00:32:30.155
please do it at low tide.

799
00:32:30.155 --> 00:32:32.970
I don't like it when people high-center and get stuck,

800
00:32:32.970 --> 00:32:34.290
and then they have to use their paddle,

801
00:32:34.290 --> 00:32:37.440
and they chop up the wreck pushing themselves off.

802
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.110
You can fish, you still need a fishing license.

803
00:32:40.110 --> 00:32:41.730
It's great for bird watching.

804
00:32:41.730 --> 00:32:44.370
In fact, it speaks well to the health of the river that,

805
00:32:44.370 --> 00:32:46.710
when I first went there, we saw maybe three eagles.

806
00:32:46.710 --> 00:32:48.603
Now it's not uncommon to see seven.

807
00:32:49.590 --> 00:32:51.540
These are osprey of course, but they're seasonal,

808
00:32:51.540 --> 00:32:54.606
but we do see those a lot too.

809
00:32:54.606 --> 00:32:55.850
This was the Benzonia.

810
00:32:55.850 --> 00:32:58.710
It was going to be our poster, you know, logo, whatever.

811
00:32:58.710 --> 00:33:00.630
Beautiful vessel in great shape.

812
00:33:00.630 --> 00:33:04.743
Unfortunately, in the mid twenty-teens it had a fire.

813
00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:07.650
The fire department from Virginia,

814
00:33:07.650 --> 00:33:09.600
Prince William County, came over and put it out.

815
00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:11.010
We're very grateful.

816
00:33:11.010 --> 00:33:13.530
And then, about four years later, we had another fire.

817
00:33:13.530 --> 00:33:16.080
And this one didn't get put out as quickly, unfortunately,

818
00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:19.350
and did an astounding amount of damage to it.

819
00:33:19.350 --> 00:33:21.810
But it does show, this is concrete.

820
00:33:21.810 --> 00:33:23.550
The vessels, oh, I shouldn't touch it.

821
00:33:23.550 --> 00:33:24.383
The vessels

822
00:33:25.770 --> 00:33:28.530
have these concrete frames or ribs in the bow and stern.

823
00:33:28.530 --> 00:33:30.210
Not all of them, just some.

824
00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:31.890
And there's nothing in the record.

825
00:33:31.890 --> 00:33:33.900
Some places have masses of concrete.

826
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.060
So, this could have been a response to,

827
00:33:36.060 --> 00:33:38.220
it shook too badly from the engine.

828
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.750
It had leak problems.

829
00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:41.580
A lot of 'em were built with green wood.

830
00:33:41.580 --> 00:33:42.940
And the captain said

831
00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:46.990
they expected them to bud in the spring and provide

832
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:49.650
pine cones for the Christmas mass.

833
00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:50.483
You know, they,

834
00:33:50.483 --> 00:33:53.040
so they could have been trying to resolve a problem.

835
00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:54.450
We're not a hundred percent sure,

836
00:33:54.450 --> 00:33:56.430
but they do become exposed.

837
00:33:56.430 --> 00:33:58.200
What do we think caused the fire?

838
00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.130
It was not lightning.

839
00:33:59.130 --> 00:34:01.050
There was none for either time.

840
00:34:01.050 --> 00:34:02.760
It could have been a stray cigarette

841
00:34:02.760 --> 00:34:04.530
that blew into the osprey nest.

842
00:34:04.530 --> 00:34:08.040
'Cause, in both cases, it's at the stern where the nest is.

843
00:34:08.040 --> 00:34:10.260
It could also been the osprey themselves.

844
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:11.940
If you ever look in an osprey nest,

845
00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:14.040
it looks like a frat house after a party.

846
00:34:14.040 --> 00:34:15.990
They bring in all kinds of junk.

847
00:34:15.990 --> 00:34:18.390
And, if they brought in any prismatic plastic,

848
00:34:18.390 --> 00:34:20.940
it could easily have acted like a magnifying glass.

849
00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:23.040
And, as I said, both times it started in the nest.

850
00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:24.543
So, we don't know.

851
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:27.780
This is a little bit upstream,

852
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:29.850
and you can see this one vessel is full of trees.

853
00:34:29.850 --> 00:34:32.610
Not good for the vessel, but it's doing great guns

854
00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:34.920
at staving off erosion of the shore.

855
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.803
And that's significant in and of itself.

856
00:34:39.736 --> 00:34:40.920
I wanna talk about debris for a moment,

857
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:42.720
and I'll come back to that ship.

858
00:34:42.720 --> 00:34:45.360
We did a number of trash pickups in the spring,

859
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.460
and they were very successful.

860
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:49.710
A few times they were overly successful.

861
00:34:49.710 --> 00:34:52.590
People would go into the brush and bring out artifacts,

862
00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:54.843
because World War II's not that long ago.

863
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:57.750
Or World War I for that matter.

864
00:34:57.750 --> 00:35:00.210
But, either case, they would traipse out with cans of,

865
00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:01.110
you know, kerosene cans.

866
00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:04.050
And I'm like, "No, no, no, put it back, put it back."

867
00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:06.330
So, we had to sort of restrict what people collected as

868
00:35:06.330 --> 00:35:09.093
trash, because we can't expect them to differentiate.

869
00:35:10.650 --> 00:35:12.547
That brings us to a couple years ago,

870
00:35:12.547 --> 00:35:14.850
when they opened the Conowingo Dam,

871
00:35:14.850 --> 00:35:17.100
there was a huge amount of debris came down.

872
00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:19.290
Bad enough that they had to cancel sailing races,

873
00:35:19.290 --> 00:35:21.510
the Governor's Cup, because of all the deadheads.

874
00:35:21.510 --> 00:35:23.820
This is Annapolis Inner Harbor,

875
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:26.160
or city dock, cleaning it out.

876
00:35:26.160 --> 00:35:28.620
And that's one of the things, when people go out to

877
00:35:28.620 --> 00:35:30.480
collect all these and help clean up,

878
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.120
we don't know if they're collecting artifacts

879
00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:36.480
as well as just plain trees and debris.

880
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.830
Now, should we care?

881
00:35:37.830 --> 00:35:39.330
I don't know, that's debatable.

882
00:35:39.330 --> 00:35:41.280
This is right back in front of that vessel

883
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.990
that I just showed you with the trees on it.

884
00:35:42.990 --> 00:35:44.100
Clearly, this is modern.

885
00:35:44.100 --> 00:35:45.210
It's been drilled and chiseled.

886
00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.100
Here's some modern hardware over here.

887
00:35:47.100 --> 00:35:48.813
This is from that World War I map.

888
00:35:50.010 --> 00:35:52.736
So, people would clean both up, calling it debris.

889
00:35:52.736 --> 00:35:53.640
Do we care?

890
00:35:53.640 --> 00:35:55.290
Well, in this case, we know where that came from,

891
00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:58.440
but we do, on the coast, have a wreck tagging program,

892
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.630
where we put QR codes on stray timbers

893
00:36:00.630 --> 00:36:01.920
and track their movement.

894
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.660
We can't put them on every ship up there.

895
00:36:03.660 --> 00:36:05.460
Remember, there are at least a hundred left,

896
00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:09.060
105 something, that are still left in Mallows Bay.

897
00:36:09.060 --> 00:36:11.850
So, yeah, it's gonna, we couldn't tag every timber

898
00:36:11.850 --> 00:36:13.110
on every one of those ships.

899
00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.420
So, maybe, we just have to look at this and say,

900
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:16.590
it's going to happen.

901
00:36:16.590 --> 00:36:18.990
It'll be out of context, you know?

902
00:36:18.990 --> 00:36:20.070
And we have to let it go.

903
00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:22.920
You have to sort of, you know, pick your battles I suppose.

904
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.930
Or, maybe, there are other suggestions of

905
00:36:24.930 --> 00:36:26.230
things we can do for this.

906
00:36:28.530 --> 00:36:29.670
What are our challenges?

907
00:36:29.670 --> 00:36:31.350
The fire is a challenge, of course.

908
00:36:31.350 --> 00:36:34.260
The marine debris is a challenge.

909
00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:35.760
Safety is always a concern.

910
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.350
As I say, you can see here, in the bottom,

911
00:36:37.350 --> 00:36:39.150
when those crisscross strapping,

912
00:36:39.150 --> 00:36:41.910
that was a lot of what they were trying to recover.

913
00:36:41.910 --> 00:36:44.536
As well as all the drift pins you can see.

914
00:36:44.536 --> 00:36:46.800
Again, we don't want people, you know,

915
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.630
impaling their plastic kayaks

916
00:36:48.630 --> 00:36:52.470
or rubber inflatable cardboard on them or themselves.

917
00:36:52.470 --> 00:36:54.270
We don't want people climbing on the wrecks.

918
00:36:54.270 --> 00:36:56.585
It's one of the few rules we have.

919
00:36:56.585 --> 00:36:58.710
But the area is remote.

920
00:36:58.710 --> 00:37:01.770
And, for your safety, because, being remote,

921
00:37:01.770 --> 00:37:02.603
there is no one on shore who's going to

922
00:37:02.603 --> 00:37:04.473
paddle out to rescue you.

923
00:37:05.526 --> 00:37:07.410
And 911's not around the corner.

924
00:37:07.410 --> 00:37:09.930
It takes a while to get out there.

925
00:37:09.930 --> 00:37:12.660
So, we really want people to err on the side of caution.

926
00:37:12.660 --> 00:37:15.060
To be careful, to not climb on the wrecks,

927
00:37:15.060 --> 00:37:17.790
not hurt yourself, not damage these, you know,

928
00:37:17.790 --> 00:37:20.613
fragile elements of our heritage either.

929
00:37:22.080 --> 00:37:23.940
I mentioned fisheries before.

930
00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:26.700
There was a very strong shad fishery in the area.

931
00:37:26.700 --> 00:37:29.820
It's not gone, but it's not as strong as it was.

932
00:37:29.820 --> 00:37:32.430
There was an amazing, these are some menhaden boat.

933
00:37:32.430 --> 00:37:34.500
There are no menhaden, the vessel was up there for some

934
00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:37.450
other reason, and it was illegally destroyed unfortunately.

935
00:37:38.550 --> 00:37:42.060
The house in the background is a caviar cannery.

936
00:37:42.060 --> 00:37:43.860
We had sturgeon, and enough sturgeon

937
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:46.680
to have an active caviar industry.

938
00:37:46.680 --> 00:37:47.970
Now, if a sturgeon is found,

939
00:37:47.970 --> 00:37:50.040
it literally makes the newspaper.

940
00:37:50.040 --> 00:37:52.560
And they are coming back very, very slowly.

941
00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:54.150
And, unfortunately, the fishery,

942
00:37:54.150 --> 00:37:56.430
and there was a fishery in Mallows Bay

943
00:37:56.430 --> 00:37:58.020
that belonged to the Wilson Farm,

944
00:37:58.020 --> 00:37:59.817
that was the land where the park is.

945
00:37:59.817 --> 00:38:02.100
And they had net repairs and tarring stations,

946
00:38:02.100 --> 00:38:04.380
and those are still there to be studied.

947
00:38:04.380 --> 00:38:07.140
But the sturgeon went away very quickly after that.

948
00:38:07.140 --> 00:38:08.790
So, we hope they'll come back.

949
00:38:08.790 --> 00:38:12.480
But, now, so far, it's baby steps.

950
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.780
What we do have, unfortunately, are blue headed catfish.

951
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:17.220
Very invasive.

952
00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:20.820
And the ones on the left are edible.

953
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.290
The one on the right, the really big ones,

954
00:38:22.290 --> 00:38:24.540
and that's Captain Danny Slater,

955
00:38:24.540 --> 00:38:26.550
gave me permission to use this one,

956
00:38:26.550 --> 00:38:27.390
you can't eat that.

957
00:38:27.390 --> 00:38:29.700
They're big enough and old enough that they've accrued

958
00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:32.550
too much pollute, too many pollutants in them.

959
00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:35.070
I've heard they take them to the fish market

960
00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:37.680
in DC that sell, chops 'em up, and sells 'em with cat food.

961
00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:38.673
I'm not sure I want my cat eating it.

962
00:38:38.673 --> 00:38:40.830
And, I think, maybe, fertilizer.

963
00:38:40.830 --> 00:38:42.600
But they've told me, the captains,

964
00:38:42.600 --> 00:38:43.740
there's half a dozen captains

965
00:38:43.740 --> 00:38:45.630
who are doing their best to capture these.

966
00:38:45.630 --> 00:38:49.590
That there are even larger breeder catfish

967
00:38:49.590 --> 00:38:51.600
that will actually bend a gaff hook.

968
00:38:51.600 --> 00:38:53.640
They said that they'll probably never get those.

969
00:38:53.640 --> 00:38:56.430
So, unfortunate for us that we're stuck with these.

970
00:38:56.430 --> 00:38:58.980
Fortunate for us, they have a sustainable living,

971
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:01.030
and are doing their best to get them out.

972
00:39:02.790 --> 00:39:04.590
There are studies being undertaken.

973
00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:07.680
People on the lower left are studying the biota

974
00:39:07.680 --> 00:39:10.290
on the vessels.

975
00:39:10.290 --> 00:39:12.210
Blue herons love to live in the burning basin.

976
00:39:12.210 --> 00:39:14.610
We named them all Mr. And Mrs. Wilson, it doesn't matter.

977
00:39:14.610 --> 00:39:17.160
Just, you know, for the folks who live there.

978
00:39:17.160 --> 00:39:19.680
There are trees here, up in the upper right.

979
00:39:19.680 --> 00:39:23.070
We have a beaver dam, a beaver lodge rather, lives on this.

980
00:39:23.070 --> 00:39:25.590
And, as much as, being Canadian, I love my beavers.

981
00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:26.760
They're all majestic.

982
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.110
I was very worried they were chewing

983
00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:30.270
their tunnels through it, but they cleverly didn't.

984
00:39:30.270 --> 00:39:32.940
They actually used the space between the frames,

985
00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:35.160
the ribs, to make their getaway.

986
00:39:35.160 --> 00:39:38.340
So, they're being very sensitive to their environment.

987
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.680
And they often chew down the larger trees

988
00:39:40.680 --> 00:39:42.210
before they damage the vessels.

989
00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:45.120
Although, they haven't got that pine tree yet again.

990
00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:48.630
Fish studies are, of course, being undertaken all the time.

991
00:39:48.630 --> 00:39:51.510
And there are studies of the osprey and the eagles.

992
00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:53.340
The fellow with the cross beak is sort of known,

993
00:39:53.340 --> 00:39:55.290
because he's being monitored by

994
00:39:55.290 --> 00:39:58.080
an organization in Virginia.

995
00:39:58.080 --> 00:40:00.870
Hydrilla, unfortunately, was introduced in the '80s,

996
00:40:00.870 --> 00:40:04.696
1983 I think, into the Potomac to help clean it up.

997
00:40:04.696 --> 00:40:06.840
You know, the nation's river was in

998
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.753
sad, sad state back then.

999
00:40:08.753 --> 00:40:11.760
Unfortunately, with most introductions, it's run amuck,

1000
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.593
and is causing a lot of problems.

1001
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:15.720
These are nutria.

1002
00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:17.310
I've been told they're in the area.

1003
00:40:17.310 --> 00:40:18.656
I've never seen one.

1004
00:40:18.656 --> 00:40:21.180
I've been told they make good pets or they're good eating.

1005
00:40:21.180 --> 00:40:23.480
So, either way, it could be a win-win for you.

1006
00:40:25.170 --> 00:40:28.710
Snake heads are the other invasive species in the area.

1007
00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:29.640
That's a teeny one.

1008
00:40:29.640 --> 00:40:32.160
They've gotten, you know, three feet long now.

1009
00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:34.200
Obviously, we encourage fishing those out.

1010
00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:37.590
Some of the local bars serve appetizers called snake bites.

1011
00:40:37.590 --> 00:40:39.000
Or put them in sandwiches.

1012
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.440
So, please, eat your fill.

1013
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:41.843
It's sort of like eating the lion fish.

1014
00:40:41.843 --> 00:40:44.730
Eat the snake heads, save a ship.

1015
00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:45.810
Or save the waterway, really,

1016
00:40:45.810 --> 00:40:48.090
they don't harm the ships per se.

1017
00:40:48.090 --> 00:40:50.070
We don't know quite what else might be out there,

1018
00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:52.200
but there are studies being undertaken at all times,

1019
00:40:52.200 --> 00:40:54.150
and who knows what will turn up.

1020
00:40:54.150 --> 00:40:55.140
But we have one more,

1021
00:40:55.140 --> 00:40:57.780
a future problem that I'm concerned about.

1022
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:01.140
This is, it's called a bivalve, even though it's a worm.

1023
00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:04.470
This is teredo navalis, and it's called a ship worm.

1024
00:41:04.470 --> 00:41:06.630
It will eat any wood that's exposed

1025
00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:09.870
that's not below an anaerobic level in the soil.

1026
00:41:09.870 --> 00:41:13.200
And, originally, they came from India and Southeast Asia,

1027
00:41:13.200 --> 00:41:15.210
brought back by the explorers to Europe.

1028
00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:16.860
They lived mostly in very warm,

1029
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:18.720
very salty water, like the Med [Mediterranean].

1030
00:41:18.720 --> 00:41:20.160
Which is why we never find boats

1031
00:41:20.160 --> 00:41:22.350
unless they're under piles of amphra,

1032
00:41:22.350 --> 00:41:23.500
or something like that.

1033
00:41:24.435 --> 00:41:27.357
The problem with them is, they will, yes, here,

1034
00:41:27.357 --> 00:41:29.280
the one on the left is archeological.

1035
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.380
The one on the right is a test sample.

1036
00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:34.650
Ships have sunk from having them eat the bottoms out.

1037
00:41:34.650 --> 00:41:37.890
And, I mean, active ships in the day of sail.

1038
00:41:37.890 --> 00:41:38.723
The problem with these is

1039
00:41:38.723 --> 00:41:41.130
they're becoming cold water tolerant.

1040
00:41:41.130 --> 00:41:44.227
They were found off of Svalbard in a timber.

1041
00:41:44.227 --> 00:41:47.610
Svalbard's 116 kilometers from the North Pole.

1042
00:41:47.610 --> 00:41:49.800
There were multi-generations alive in this timber.

1043
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.656
So, it wasn't like it just washed up the day before.

1044
00:41:52.656 --> 00:41:55.170
It had been living in there some time.

1045
00:41:55.170 --> 00:41:56.760
So, cold water tolerant.

1046
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.280
They're turning up in the Baltic, which is only

1047
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.440
three percent as salty as the Atlantic.

1048
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.910
And think of the Vasa or the Mars,

1049
00:42:02.910 --> 00:42:04.740
any of the ships up there that are exposed,

1050
00:42:04.740 --> 00:42:05.700
Vasa is outta the water.

1051
00:42:05.700 --> 00:42:07.170
But, I mean, famous ships that are

1052
00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:09.720
still in the Baltic are at risk now.

1053
00:42:09.720 --> 00:42:13.110
And, a secondary danger we hadn't thought about,

1054
00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:15.300
off of Rhode Island, where Captain Cook's vessel,

1055
00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:18.240
Endeavor is, ship worm are eating one side,

1056
00:42:18.240 --> 00:42:20.760
gribbles, or Limnoria, another wood eater,

1057
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.110
is eating the other side.

1058
00:42:22.110 --> 00:42:24.240
And then, when the wood gets weak,

1059
00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:28.440
predators of these worms tear the wood apart to get to them.

1060
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.206
So, we've got secondary damage

1061
00:42:30.206 --> 00:42:32.610
from the hunters of the predators.

1062
00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:35.037
So, if these come up in Mallows Bay,

1063
00:42:35.037 --> 00:42:37.470
and as I say, Mallows is still considered

1064
00:42:37.470 --> 00:42:38.913
fresh water at this point.

1065
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:41.460
Occasionally, when we've had a drought,

1066
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:43.590
the salt water does come up that far,

1067
00:42:43.590 --> 00:42:45.330
and people can go crabbing.

1068
00:42:45.330 --> 00:42:47.730
We don't have any resident oyster beds or clams.

1069
00:42:47.730 --> 00:42:49.320
It's not saline enough.

1070
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.760
However, with climate change,

1071
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.400
and with the adaptation of these vessel,

1072
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.966
these creatures to fresher water, colder water,

1073
00:42:56.966 --> 00:42:58.950
if they rode up on a salt wave,

1074
00:42:58.950 --> 00:43:01.946
they could easily look at Mallows as a smorgasbord.

1075
00:43:01.946 --> 00:43:04.080
And, unfortunately, it's an understudied

1076
00:43:04.080 --> 00:43:05.670
area of the Chesapeake.

1077
00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:08.310
Most of the studies I found are from the 1950s.

1078
00:43:08.310 --> 00:43:10.410
So, any marine biologists out there,

1079
00:43:10.410 --> 00:43:13.096
we need studies on ship worm in the Chesapeake.

1080
00:43:13.096 --> 00:43:15.420
If you have students, steer them to us out.

1081
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:18.543
It would be phenomenal data that would be extremely useful.

1082
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:22.350
We are studying or looking at, there's a paper out now,

1083
00:43:22.350 --> 00:43:25.710
research on climate change impacts in Mallows Bay.

1084
00:43:25.710 --> 00:43:28.620
Maryland is very cognizant of ocean acidification

1085
00:43:28.620 --> 00:43:32.010
and has a climate change action plan.

1086
00:43:32.010 --> 00:43:34.620
At Mallows, we welcome, not just archeological,

1087
00:43:34.620 --> 00:43:37.176
but any academic field schools for,

1088
00:43:37.176 --> 00:43:39.090
you know, studies in the area.

1089
00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:42.300
As I said, we do have microbiome, bio corrosion study.

1090
00:43:42.300 --> 00:43:44.670
We have another entity using hydrophone to hear what

1091
00:43:44.670 --> 00:43:47.280
the critters are saying to each other down there.

1092
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.080
Academic partners are welcome.

1093
00:43:49.080 --> 00:43:52.140
We desperately wanna do some oral histories of the area.

1094
00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:54.579
Obviously, there's no one left who worked on these vessels.

1095
00:43:54.579 --> 00:43:56.490
Even their children are elderly.

1096
00:43:56.490 --> 00:43:58.380
So, we're probably dealing with grandchildren

1097
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:00.090
who are not exactly young either.

1098
00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:01.830
And, before we lose all these data,

1099
00:44:01.830 --> 00:44:04.380
and they still have stories and photos and things,

1100
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.990
we desperately would like to see an oral history done.

1101
00:44:06.990 --> 00:44:09.480
We were thinking about that when COVID hit.

1102
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.520
And that put kibosh on, because, of course,

1103
00:44:11.520 --> 00:44:13.290
trying to get a bunch of older folks together

1104
00:44:13.290 --> 00:44:16.380
is risky enough, you know, at a center or something.

1105
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.453
But it's an area that needs looking at.

1106
00:44:20.406 --> 00:44:22.470
So, if anyone wants to do work in the area,

1107
00:44:22.470 --> 00:44:24.480
you have research ideas,

1108
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.220
you can email, you know, Shannon,

1109
00:44:26.220 --> 00:44:28.920
she'll get it to Paul, Sammy Orlando,

1110
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:29.940
who's the superintendent.

1111
00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:33.630
Or to me, you can email me here if you have questions.

1112
00:44:33.630 --> 00:44:37.740
If you have ideas, you know, we welcome research.

1113
00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:39.513
It truly is a living laboratory.

1114
00:44:41.384 --> 00:44:42.870
And I'm gonna leave it there and

1115
00:44:42.870 --> 00:44:45.660
answer any questions that I can.

1116
00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:46.770
[Shannon] Okay.

1117
00:44:46.770 --> 00:44:48.030
Thank you, Susan.

1118
00:44:48.030 --> 00:44:49.080
I learned a lot today.

1119
00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:50.160
I don't know about everybody else,

1120
00:44:50.160 --> 00:44:52.483
but, man, that's fascinating, thank you.

1121
00:44:52.483 --> 00:44:55.500
I'm going to take the screen back.

1122
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:59.190
And, if you have not downloaded Susan's bio in the chat box,

1123
00:44:59.190 --> 00:45:01.170
you might want to do so now.

1124
00:45:01.170 --> 00:45:02.460
'Because, in that bio, you're going to find

1125
00:45:02.460 --> 00:45:03.990
more information about Susan

1126
00:45:03.990 --> 00:45:06.750
and links that might be of interest to you.

1127
00:45:06.750 --> 00:45:09.510
So, we do have some questions, Susan.

1128
00:45:09.510 --> 00:45:10.863
A lot of them came in.

1129
00:45:12.344 --> 00:45:14.970
We'll take one of the ones on climate change.

1130
00:45:14.970 --> 00:45:17.700
It says, "What is projected outcome of climate change

1131
00:45:17.700 --> 00:45:19.807
and sea level rise on the Mallow Bay fleet?"

1132
00:45:19.807 --> 00:45:21.900
"Will they be inundated?"

1133
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:23.250
You touched on that a little bit.

1134
00:45:23.250 --> 00:45:25.235
You wanna expand upon it at all?

1135
00:45:25.235 --> 00:45:27.390
<v ->As much as I can.</v>

1136
00:45:27.390 --> 00:45:29.160
We do know, I mean, I've seen,

1137
00:45:29.160 --> 00:45:31.470
in the 30 years I've been here,

1138
00:45:31.470 --> 00:45:33.450
I've seen, you know, fewer of the vessels

1139
00:45:33.450 --> 00:45:34.980
surface every time.

1140
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:36.870
Now, I didn't put it in here, but once in a while,

1141
00:45:36.870 --> 00:45:38.310
we get what's called a blowout,

1142
00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:40.170
when we get an extremely low tide.

1143
00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:43.170
But we've also had a sustained wind blowing off shore,

1144
00:45:43.170 --> 00:45:45.480
and it's shown us vessels we still didn't know are there.

1145
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.310
So, we keep learning stuff.

1146
00:45:47.310 --> 00:45:48.480
Are they going to go away?

1147
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.250
Yes, of course, they are eventually.

1148
00:45:50.250 --> 00:45:52.020
However, it's gonna be a long time.

1149
00:45:52.020 --> 00:45:53.430
It's been over a hundred years now,

1150
00:45:53.430 --> 00:45:56.160
and they're still very substantive, very heavily built.

1151
00:45:56.160 --> 00:45:58.200
But we do wanna know what's happening.

1152
00:45:58.200 --> 00:46:00.870
And that's one of the things Allyson Ropp is looking at.

1153
00:46:00.870 --> 00:46:02.730
Now, the Aowa's in that front line,

1154
00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:03.677
so it's gonna have, you know,

1155
00:46:03.677 --> 00:46:07.593
it's gonna have more storm surge impact.

1156
00:46:08.580 --> 00:46:10.860
You know, more regularly than the vessel

1157
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:12.480
that's protecting behind it.

1158
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.610
So, that's one of the things she has to consider.

1159
00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:16.320
She's actually trying to come up with

1160
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.780
an actual estimate on when it might go away.

1161
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:21.600
But there are just so many aspects to,

1162
00:46:21.600 --> 00:46:24.120
you know, variables to each of these vessels

1163
00:46:24.120 --> 00:46:26.160
and what they were made out of.

1164
00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:28.530
Most of it was fairly soft wood.

1165
00:46:28.530 --> 00:46:31.246
Do we get teredo coming up and eating them?

1166
00:46:31.246 --> 00:46:35.010
Eventually, you know, 200 years, 250, 300 years,

1167
00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:35.843
they're gonna be gone.

1168
00:46:35.843 --> 00:46:37.650
But that doesn't mean that we still can't,

1169
00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:39.930
they won't be above the surface, they won't be gone, gone.

1170
00:46:39.930 --> 00:46:42.087
But it's like going to Gettysburg, you know?

1171
00:46:42.087 --> 00:46:44.974
You can still see where the battle was, even if,

1172
00:46:44.974 --> 00:46:45.807
you know, there still aren't

1173
00:46:45.807 --> 00:46:47.220
cannons sitting there or whatever.

1174
00:46:47.220 --> 00:46:48.600
So, it can still be interpreted,

1175
00:46:48.600 --> 00:46:51.000
it still played an important role in the area.

1176
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.993
It's still a fabulous place to come and, you know, recreate.

1177
00:46:56.912 --> 00:46:58.890
And so, as I said, we're still studying climate change.

1178
00:46:58.890 --> 00:47:00.570
We're interested in what's going to happen.

1179
00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:03.481
Will the water become more saline over time?

1180
00:47:03.481 --> 00:47:04.500
I don't know.

1181
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:06.301
I don't think it will, in the sense that,

1182
00:47:06.301 --> 00:47:08.040
if it rains in West Virginia,

1183
00:47:08.040 --> 00:47:09.960
we've got high water the next day.

1184
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:10.793
And, that's the other thing,

1185
00:47:10.793 --> 00:47:12.870
it's not just a very small area.

1186
00:47:12.870 --> 00:47:15.792
The Potomac is a huge river system that goes way up

1187
00:47:15.792 --> 00:47:17.520
into the Appalachian Mountains.

1188
00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:20.130
So, that'll play a role as well.

1189
00:47:20.130 --> 00:47:21.360
So, it's an ongoing study.

1190
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.120
I mean, I think, like anything, eventually it will go away.

1191
00:47:24.120 --> 00:47:26.280
But, I don't, I think we're talking

1192
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.050
a couple hundred years anyway.

1193
00:47:28.050 --> 00:47:29.250
That's a guess.

1194
00:47:29.250 --> 00:47:30.810
[Shannon] All right, thank you.

1195
00:47:30.810 --> 00:47:32.647
Another question that came in says,

1196
00:47:32.647 --> 00:47:34.980
"Given that there were 50 shipyards around the

1197
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:39.067
continental US on both coasts, were local timbers used?"

1198
00:47:39.067 --> 00:47:42.300
"And can you determine that, via a wood analysis,

1199
00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:44.150
which species of trees were used

1200
00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:45.780
in the construction of these ships,

1201
00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:47.520
and did they reflect the local environment

1202
00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:49.230
in which they were built?"

1203
00:47:49.230 --> 00:47:51.483
<v ->Good question, and I so wish that was true.</v>

1204
00:47:53.220 --> 00:47:54.780
They were all over the Great Lakes,

1205
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:56.790
shipyards mostly built metal hulls.

1206
00:47:56.790 --> 00:48:00.270
That was a different arm of the emergency fleet companies.

1207
00:48:00.270 --> 00:48:02.190
The vast majority, of course, being West Coast,

1208
00:48:02.190 --> 00:48:03.060
there was a lot of fir.

1209
00:48:03.060 --> 00:48:04.980
There are yellow pine and some others.

1210
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:06.720
We can, a little bit.

1211
00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:08.610
But, even some, like that was one of our

1212
00:48:08.610 --> 00:48:11.340
first points of concern with the Bayou Teche.

1213
00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:13.500
It wasn't made of woods we would

1214
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:15.120
expect to find in Louisiana.

1215
00:48:15.120 --> 00:48:16.920
And that's when we, and it didn't match the drawing.

1216
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.073
So, we're starting to go, "Uh-oh, is this the wrong vessel?"

1217
00:48:19.073 --> 00:48:20.970
I mean, they do move around.

1218
00:48:20.970 --> 00:48:22.872
But it was determined that,

1219
00:48:22.872 --> 00:48:24.960
because it was a government project,

1220
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.680
they had areas where timber would be shipped into

1221
00:48:28.680 --> 00:48:29.800
and you went and picked up

1222
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.030
the timber there for your vessels.

1223
00:48:33.030 --> 00:48:35.422
So, a lot of it is West Coast timber.

1224
00:48:35.422 --> 00:48:40.200
And, you know, there are some exceptions, but not overall.

1225
00:48:40.200 --> 00:48:42.300
They were all pretty consistently,

1226
00:48:42.300 --> 00:48:43.440
you know, Douglas fir and things,

1227
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.660
there's some yellow pine, stuff like that.

1228
00:48:45.660 --> 00:48:46.740
Very little oak.

1229
00:48:46.740 --> 00:48:48.420
That would've been used in very few areas

1230
00:48:48.420 --> 00:48:50.610
where you had to have hardwood.

1231
00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:53.073
So, not as easily as we would've hoped.

1232
00:48:54.210 --> 00:48:55.200
<v ->Okay.</v>

1233
00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:57.930
Jesse, are there any questions that you would like to ask?

1234
00:48:57.930 --> 00:49:00.300
I see there's lots of them.

1235
00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:01.443
[Jessie] There are.

1236
00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:08.350
One asks about

1237
00:49:09.570 --> 00:49:10.897
indigenous knowledge.

1238
00:49:10.897 --> 00:49:14.197
"Is your division incorporating indigenous knowledge?"

1239
00:49:14.197 --> 00:49:17.370
"If so, can you elaborate on

1240
00:49:17.370 --> 00:49:21.093
what you've gained from NOAA's tribal-indigenous partners?

1241
00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:27.060
<v ->We're working directly with the Piscataway Peoples,</v>

1242
00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:28.890
who are, that is their ancestral lands.

1243
00:49:28.890 --> 00:49:29.723
And they

1244
00:49:31.170 --> 00:49:32.910
have, are doing interpretation.

1245
00:49:32.910 --> 00:49:34.560
In fact, this is going to be,

1246
00:49:34.560 --> 00:49:36.450
some of this next big rollout,

1247
00:49:36.450 --> 00:49:38.160
more interviews with them.

1248
00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:40.390
Their views on everything there.

1249
00:49:40.390 --> 00:49:42.360
There is wild rice in the area.

1250
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:43.300
They have done

1251
00:49:44.430 --> 00:49:46.960
plant analysis, they are putting up signage.

1252
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.680
They're actually giving us a very good perspective.

1253
00:49:49.680 --> 00:49:52.860
We've talked to them about, do they have,

1254
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:53.913
you know, is there any chance there'd be

1255
00:49:53.913 --> 00:49:55.590
a vessel that they know of?

1256
00:49:55.590 --> 00:49:56.610
Well, they don't.

1257
00:49:56.610 --> 00:49:59.370
We know that, very likely, one of the large

1258
00:49:59.370 --> 00:50:02.970
palisaded villages that is on a map by John Smith,

1259
00:50:02.970 --> 00:50:06.930
Nusamek, is adjacent on the southern end of Mallow's Bay.

1260
00:50:06.930 --> 00:50:07.980
Private property.

1261
00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:10.740
But it's been researched, and it's very likely NusaMak.

1262
00:50:10.740 --> 00:50:13.860
However, I love the answer I received from

1263
00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:16.960
Erin Savoy when I said something about other sites.

1264
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.022
I was talking about important sites and she said,

1265
00:50:19.022 --> 00:50:20.917
"All our sites are important."

1266
00:50:20.917 --> 00:50:22.650
"We don't need some colonial tourists

1267
00:50:22.650 --> 00:50:24.150
to tell us what's important."

1268
00:50:24.150 --> 00:50:26.010
And I just thought that rocked.

1269
00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:27.340
But there is a lot of

1270
00:50:28.470 --> 00:50:29.303
indigenous folk.

1271
00:50:29.303 --> 00:50:30.420
Now, obviously,

1272
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:34.080
the draw to this was this enormous World War I fleet.

1273
00:50:34.080 --> 00:50:36.660
But we are looking, very much, at

1274
00:50:36.660 --> 00:50:37.797
the knowledge of the Piscataway People.

1275
00:50:37.797 --> 00:50:40.200
And they are being interviewed in our next

1276
00:50:40.200 --> 00:50:42.363
upcoming interpretive layers.

1277
00:50:43.525 --> 00:50:44.550
And they are helping with the, like,

1278
00:50:44.550 --> 00:50:46.830
as you saw that one sign, well there are more signs,

1279
00:50:46.830 --> 00:50:48.720
more interpretive panels on the trails,

1280
00:50:48.720 --> 00:50:49.770
and things like that.

1281
00:50:49.770 --> 00:50:52.530
So, definitely, involving those folks.

1282
00:50:52.530 --> 00:50:55.315
I don't know if, I presume if NOAA has a branch,

1283
00:50:55.315 --> 00:50:57.060
they'll be involved as well,

1284
00:50:57.060 --> 00:50:59.133
but I haven't dealt with them personally.

1285
00:51:00.060 --> 00:51:01.320
[Shannon] Okay.

1286
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.780
[Susan] We did have, I will mention, we did have,

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actually, a ceremony down on the site

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before we had our big, you know, opening.

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00:51:09.270 --> 00:51:10.770
And there was a grandfather tree,

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00:51:10.770 --> 00:51:13.230
and it had little medicine bundles tied all through it.

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00:51:13.230 --> 00:51:14.733
We had to use a cherry picker.

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00:51:16.290 --> 00:51:18.780
Mervin's like, you know, a senior lady.

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00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:19.950
I said, "Are you going up in that?"

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00:51:19.950 --> 00:51:21.120
She said, "No."

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00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:22.740
But, folks went up and did hang it all

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00:51:22.740 --> 00:51:24.120
through the grandfather tree.

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00:51:24.120 --> 00:51:27.150
We also have other cedar trees where bundles were placed.

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And there are other

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00:51:28.939 --> 00:51:31.653
ceremonies planned for the future as well.

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00:51:33.060 --> 00:51:35.377
[Shannon] All right, another question we got is,

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"If you were going out to kayak,

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00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:41.370
what is the most or the best starting point

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00:51:41.370 --> 00:51:43.027
to see the most vessels?"

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00:51:43.027 --> 00:51:45.180
"Where would you start from?"

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00:51:45.180 --> 00:51:47.190
<v ->We actually have a kayak launch.</v>

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00:51:47.190 --> 00:51:49.650
If you go, on the Maryland shore, you go to

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00:51:49.650 --> 00:51:52.440
Mallows Bay Park.

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00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.440
It's on the site of what was the Wilson Farm and Fishery.

1309
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.980
And you can, there are porta pot facilities.

1310
00:51:58.980 --> 00:52:00.240
There's no running water yet.

1311
00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:01.260
There was an old well.

1312
00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:03.600
I keep arguing we need to get it re-upped.

1313
00:52:03.600 --> 00:52:07.050
But there are, there's a kayak launch, there's a boat ramp.

1314
00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:08.880
And you can, there's a little sandy spot,

1315
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.530
you can also launch there.

1316
00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:13.770
If the watermen aren't using the ramp, you can use that.

1317
00:52:13.770 --> 00:52:15.510
There is a, I understand, a launch,

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00:52:15.510 --> 00:52:17.730
I believe, on the Virginia side,

1319
00:52:17.730 --> 00:52:20.100
but that's a hard paddle against a strong current.

1320
00:52:20.100 --> 00:52:23.160
So, if you're launching in Widewater State Park,

1321
00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:25.290
you're probably going to the Widewater wrecks.

1322
00:52:25.290 --> 00:52:28.320
You can launch upriver at Smallwood State Park

1323
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:29.153
and paddle down.

1324
00:52:29.153 --> 00:52:31.410
It's an effort, it's a day effort,

1325
00:52:31.410 --> 00:52:33.150
but Sea Scouts have done it.

1326
00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:34.740
Although, with the tides and currents,

1327
00:52:34.740 --> 00:52:36.780
you'd probably better get picked up at Mallows.

1328
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:39.000
But we do, that's where you should launch, it's closest.

1329
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.800
You can go right into the burning basin,

1330
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.360
especially if you haven't kayaking

1331
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.130
and you wanna get some practice.

1332
00:52:44.130 --> 00:52:45.240
You can also go to the back,

1333
00:52:45.240 --> 00:52:47.070
look at the Sea Scout boat,

1334
00:52:47.070 --> 00:52:49.980
look for the wild rice, look at the heron.

1335
00:52:49.980 --> 00:52:50.850
There is one or two,

1336
00:52:50.850 --> 00:52:53.010
there's a boat in there that you can see as well.

1337
00:52:53.010 --> 00:52:55.740
And then, you come out and you go around the peninsula,

1338
00:52:55.740 --> 00:52:57.840
and you can kayak through the wrecks.

1339
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.630
You can either go out around the Accomac, the metal hull,

1340
00:53:00.630 --> 00:53:03.152
go right around it, or cut across in front of it

1341
00:53:03.152 --> 00:53:05.370
and go through the wrecks that way.

1342
00:53:05.370 --> 00:53:08.010
I suggest going around the hulls,

1343
00:53:08.010 --> 00:53:09.690
not necessarily through them,

1344
00:53:09.690 --> 00:53:12.051
unless it's a very low tide and you can see

1345
00:53:12.051 --> 00:53:14.340
where you are between the various hulls.

1346
00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:16.211
But we do have those waterproof maps.

1347
00:53:16.211 --> 00:53:17.790
They're at, they're on the site.

1348
00:53:17.790 --> 00:53:19.320
You can get those there.

1349
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:20.771
If you're coming and you're not sure,

1350
00:53:20.771 --> 00:53:22.140
we can mail them to you,

1351
00:53:22.140 --> 00:53:24.040
if you think you're gonna be visiting.

1352
00:53:25.410 --> 00:53:26.883
You do have to get out,

1353
00:53:27.720 --> 00:53:29.760
to really get a good view, you need to be on the water.

1354
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.149
We have put in some viewing scopes.

1355
00:53:32.149 --> 00:53:35.820
But, because most of the vessels are around that peninsula,

1356
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.070
the view's a bit limited.

1357
00:53:38.040 --> 00:53:39.960
[Shannon] Okay, thank you.

1358
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.270
Jesse, I think we have time for one more question.

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00:53:42.270 --> 00:53:44.270
Is there one that you would like to ask?

1360
00:53:45.150 --> 00:53:46.203
[Jessie] Yes.

1361
00:53:47.100 --> 00:53:51.499
So you showed pictures of Grady Spit.

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00:53:51.499 --> 00:53:55.200
There's a question that asks, is that growing naturally?

1363
00:53:55.200 --> 00:53:59.490
Or is it being added to by human action?

1364
00:53:59.490 --> 00:54:01.260
<v ->No, it's completely natural.</v>

1365
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:03.090
You put a vessel in, it's like the others,

1366
00:54:03.090 --> 00:54:05.010
soil will accrete around it.

1367
00:54:05.010 --> 00:54:07.560
And then, of course, seeds get dropped by the birds.

1368
00:54:07.560 --> 00:54:09.810
And, yeah, it just accreted over.

1369
00:54:09.810 --> 00:54:12.360
The vessel acted like that little trap,

1370
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.350
and picked up the sand, and the spit just grew naturally.

1371
00:54:16.350 --> 00:54:18.660
And, interestingly enough, it's now,

1372
00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:20.550
the plants that are growing on it,

1373
00:54:20.550 --> 00:54:22.650
seem to be attracting a lot of pollinators.

1374
00:54:22.650 --> 00:54:24.067
It was covered in hummingbirds one time,

1375
00:54:24.067 --> 00:54:26.520
and I had never seen them there before.

1376
00:54:26.520 --> 00:54:28.620
And we do see a lot of butterflies.

1377
00:54:28.620 --> 00:54:30.543
It's a very protective area.

1378
00:54:31.470 --> 00:54:32.917
When we were nominating it, I was thinking,

1379
00:54:32.917 --> 00:54:34.500
"Well, I might find half a dozen

1380
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:36.990
endangered species that we can reference."

1381
00:54:36.990 --> 00:54:38.880
And there was something like three pages of rare,

1382
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.770
threatened, and endangered species.

1383
00:54:40.770 --> 00:54:43.140
And a lot of them were insects or fish,

1384
00:54:43.140 --> 00:54:44.790
but there's one endangered snake.

1385
00:54:44.790 --> 00:54:46.080
There are a lot of turtles that are,

1386
00:54:46.080 --> 00:54:47.940
now, maybe at risk, you know?

1387
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:49.860
So, we love seeing that happen.

1388
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:53.370
I mean, it's naturally becoming part of the environment.

1389
00:54:53.370 --> 00:54:56.310
As I said before, they act as artificial reefs for

1390
00:54:56.310 --> 00:54:59.303
both commercial and recreational fish and the birds.

1391
00:54:59.303 --> 00:55:02.040
You see the eagles teaching their young how to hunt.

1392
00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:04.140
There's one snake I always see, he never gets any bigger,

1393
00:55:04.140 --> 00:55:06.270
but he's always got a fish in his mouth.

1394
00:55:06.270 --> 00:55:08.790
He'd be enormous by now, but he's not.

1395
00:55:08.790 --> 00:55:10.503
So, no, it's completely natural.

1396
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.270
[Shannon] Oh, that's awesome, Susan, thank you.

1397
00:55:15.270 --> 00:55:16.570
Well, all right, everyone.

1398
00:55:18.660 --> 00:55:20.280
If we did not get to your question,

1399
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.390
or if you have additional ones,

1400
00:55:21.390 --> 00:55:22.800
you can always send them to Susan

1401
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.620
at the email address that's listed on this slide.

1402
00:55:25.620 --> 00:55:27.711
You can also learn more about Maryland's Underwater

1403
00:55:27.711 --> 00:55:30.840
Archeology Program at the URL listed there.

1404
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.690
And I'm sorry, Jessie, I stole your slide.

1405
00:55:33.690 --> 00:55:34.620
So, you do the next-

1406
00:55:34.620 --> 00:55:36.330
Well, I was just gonna say,

1407
00:55:36.330 --> 00:55:38.310
I put a slide in here as well.

1408
00:55:38.310 --> 00:55:40.710
A lot of people in the chat were saying that our,

1409
00:55:40.710 --> 00:55:43.770
the link that I put in for the Mallows Bay sites,

1410
00:55:43.770 --> 00:55:48.720
that you can go to watch the webinar was not link working.

1411
00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:50.552
So, this is the link up here,

1412
00:55:50.552 --> 00:55:53.580
if you would like to be able to go there.

1413
00:55:53.580 --> 00:55:55.863
You can watch that VR video.

1414
00:55:56.700 --> 00:55:59.220
And, also, learn more about Mallows Bay.

1415
00:55:59.220 --> 00:56:03.000
And we do have those maps, Susan, on our website

1416
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.160
that people can download, they're PDF copies.

1417
00:56:05.160 --> 00:56:06.300
They're not waterproof.

1418
00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.670
But they can download those as well to get a,

1419
00:56:08.670 --> 00:56:09.930
get an idea of where they want to go

1420
00:56:09.930 --> 00:56:11.880
before they go out there.

1421
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:12.783
All right, Jesse.

1422
00:56:15.075 --> 00:56:16.590
[Jessie] All right.

1423
00:56:16.590 --> 00:56:18.630
A video recording of

1424
00:56:18.630 --> 00:56:20.940
this presentation will be available on the

1425
00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:23.340
sanctuary's webinar archives page,

1426
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:25.863
found at the URL listed here, at the top.

1427
00:56:27.030 --> 00:56:28.950
[Shannon]In addition, the webinar will be archived

1428
00:56:28.950 --> 00:56:31.230
on Monitor National Marine Sanctuary's website.

1429
00:56:31.230 --> 00:56:33.330
You can just click on the multimedia section

1430
00:56:33.330 --> 00:56:36.360
in the toolbar to access that webinar box.

1431
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.460
You will, it usually takes about ten days

1432
00:56:38.460 --> 00:56:41.400
for the webinar to be posted after we get it captioned

1433
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.050
and we get it up to headquarters.

1434
00:56:43.050 --> 00:56:46.530
But you will also find future webinars in that same section.

1435
00:56:46.530 --> 00:56:48.270
And, don't worry, all of this information

1436
00:56:48.270 --> 00:56:50.220
is going to be sent to you in a follow-up email

1437
00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:52.713
once the recording is ready to view.

1438
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.960
[Jessie] And we are proud to announce that both of our

1439
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:01.350
Sanctuary Advisory Councils are seeking new members.

1440
00:57:01.350 --> 00:57:04.504
For a list of the council seats or an application kit,

1441
00:57:04.504 --> 00:57:07.770
please use the links in the chat

1442
00:57:07.770 --> 00:57:09.450
for both Monitor and Mallows.

1443
00:57:09.450 --> 00:57:13.740
That will take you to our sanctuary advisory webpages.

1444
00:57:13.740 --> 00:57:16.650
The Monitor application window is open now.

1445
00:57:16.650 --> 00:57:21.090
And the Mallows Bay applications will be open soon

1446
00:57:21.090 --> 00:57:22.860
for a second recruitment.

1447
00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:25.230
So, if you're interested or have questions,

1448
00:57:25.230 --> 00:57:27.753
please email me at the address on the screen.

1449
00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:29.813
[Shannon] All right.

1450
00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:33.600
And, lastly, of course, we always invite you to

1451
00:57:33.600 --> 00:57:35.700
follow us on social media to stay in touch

1452
00:57:35.700 --> 00:57:37.650
with what's happening in the sanctuary.

1453
00:57:39.060 --> 00:57:42.420
And, as you exit the webinar, there is a short survey

1454
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:44.550
for formal and informal educators.

1455
00:57:44.550 --> 00:57:46.890
If you are an educator, NOAA would really appreciate it

1456
00:57:46.890 --> 00:57:49.800
if you just take a few minutes to complete the survey.

1457
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.900
Your answers will help NOAA develop

1458
00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:53.880
future webinars to meet your needs.

1459
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.980
And your participation is voluntary.

1460
00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:58.563
And your answers will be completely anonymous.

1461
00:58:01.470 --> 00:58:03.900
So, once again, we want to thank you, Susan,

1462
00:58:03.900 --> 00:58:05.730
for a fabulous presentation today.

1463
00:58:05.730 --> 00:58:07.290
And thank you for, everyone,

1464
00:58:07.290 --> 00:58:09.450
for taking the time today to join us.

1465
00:58:09.450 --> 00:58:10.560
You have a wonderful day.

1466
00:58:10.560 --> 00:58:12.900
And this concludes the presentation for everyone.

1467
00:58:12.900 --> 00:58:13.733
Thank you.