WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.482 --> 00:00:02.823 Hello and welcome 2 00:00:02.823 --> 00:00:05.285 to the annual Seaside Chat Speaker Series. 3 00:00:05.285 --> 00:00:07.022 We're glad to have you here 4 00:00:07.022 --> 00:00:09.688 for the last presentation of the 2023 season. 5 00:00:09.688 --> 00:00:13.140 This speaker series focuses on topics associated 6 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:15.780 with Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary, 7 00:00:15.780 --> 00:00:18.210 and the Gulf of Mexico, and we're also part 8 00:00:18.210 --> 00:00:21.120 of the National Marine Sanctuary Webinar Series 9 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:23.373 and the NOAA Science Seminar Series. 10 00:00:24.330 --> 00:00:26.580 During the presentation, all attendees will be 11 00:00:26.580 --> 00:00:28.320 in listen only mode. 12 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:30.360 You are welcome to type questions for the presenter 13 00:00:30.360 --> 00:00:33.450 into the questions box at the bottom of the control panel 14 00:00:33.450 --> 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Sanctuary 29 00:01:03.390 --> 00:01:06.210 and Flower Garden banks National Marine Sanctuary Websites 30 00:01:06.210 --> 00:01:08.700 within a few weeks after the presentation. 31 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:10.813 We'll notify registered participants 32 00:01:10.813 --> 00:01:13.470 via email when these recordings are available. 33 00:01:13.470 --> 00:01:16.320 And for those of you who are interested, we have a document 34 00:01:16.320 --> 00:01:19.350 of links to additional resources on today's topic. 35 00:01:19.350 --> 00:01:21.990 You'll find this in the handout pane of the control panel. 36 00:01:21.990 --> 00:01:24.093 Simply click on the item to download it. 37 00:01:25.865 --> 00:01:26.990 Hello everyone. 38 00:01:26.990 --> 00:01:28.560 My name is Kelly Drinnen 39 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.960 and I'm the Education Outreach Coordinator 40 00:01:30.960 --> 00:01:33.450 for Flower Garden Bank National Marine Sanctuary. 41 00:01:33.450 --> 00:01:37.080 I'll be facilitating today's webinar from Dickinson, Texas. 42 00:01:37.080 --> 00:01:39.210 Also with me today is Kelly O'Connell, one 43 00:01:39.210 --> 00:01:41.430 of our research specialists who will be helping me 44 00:01:41.430 --> 00:01:44.043 with backend administration of the webinar. 45 00:01:48.240 --> 00:01:50.370 In 1972, the United States ushered 46 00:01:50.370 --> 00:01:51.719 in a new era of conservation 47 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.205 by creating the National Marine Sanctuary system. 48 00:01:55.205 --> 00:01:57.930 Since then, we've grown into a nationwide network 49 00:01:57.930 --> 00:01:59.911 of 15 National Marine Sanctuaries 50 00:01:59.911 --> 00:02:04.110 and two Marine National Monuments conserving an area 51 00:02:04.110 --> 00:02:09.110 of more than 620,000 square miles, about the size of Alaska. 52 00:02:09.900 --> 00:02:11.580 These marine protected areas are kind 53 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:13.893 of like national parks, but underwater. 54 00:02:16.537 --> 00:02:19.890 The National Marine Sanctuaries Act gives NOAA the authority 55 00:02:19.890 --> 00:02:22.639 to designate special areas of the marine environment 56 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.300 as National Marine Sanctuaries. 57 00:02:24.300 --> 00:02:25.133 It also mandates 58 00:02:25.133 --> 00:02:27.360 that the Office of National Marine Sanctuaries 59 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.810 conduct research, monitoring, resource protection, 60 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:33.870 education, outreach and management of America's 61 00:02:33.870 --> 00:02:35.790 underwater treasures to preserve them 62 00:02:35.790 --> 00:02:37.263 for future generations. 63 00:02:39.423 --> 00:02:41.833 In addition to being places for recreation 64 00:02:41.833 --> 00:02:44.040 and research, National Marine Sanctuaries are 65 00:02:44.040 --> 00:02:47.100 also living classrooms where people can see, touch, 66 00:02:47.100 --> 00:02:49.080 and learn about the nation's great lakes 67 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.000 and ocean treasures. 68 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.133 This webinar series is just one part of 69 00:02:53.133 --> 00:02:55.983 that national education and outreach effort. 70 00:02:58.567 --> 00:03:00.630 The Seaside Chat series is hosted 71 00:03:00.630 --> 00:03:03.420 by Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary, 72 00:03:03.420 --> 00:03:06.750 the only National Marine Sanctuary in the Gulf of Mexico. 73 00:03:06.750 --> 00:03:09.090 This sanctuary consists of 17 banks, 74 00:03:09.090 --> 00:03:11.640 or small underwater mountains, that are home to some 75 00:03:11.640 --> 00:03:13.890 of the healthiest coral reefs in the world, 76 00:03:13.890 --> 00:03:16.279 amazing algal and sponge habitats, 77 00:03:16.279 --> 00:03:18.930 and deep reef habitats featuring an abundance 78 00:03:18.930 --> 00:03:21.450 of black coral and gorgonians. 79 00:03:21.450 --> 00:03:23.730 We invite you to learn, learn more about us 80 00:03:23.730 --> 00:03:28.730 by visiting the sanctuary website at flowergarden.noaa.gov. 81 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:33.983 Today's presentation focuses on exploration 82 00:03:33.983 --> 00:03:36.240 in the deepest parts of the sanctuary. 83 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.096 Like all marine animals, corals leave 84 00:03:38.096 --> 00:03:41.190 behind genetic traces in their environment. 85 00:03:41.190 --> 00:03:42.879 Scientists refer to these genetic traces 86 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.740 as environmental DNA or eDNA. 87 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:49.380 Similar to forensics, Marine biologists can sequence 88 00:03:49.380 --> 00:03:51.990 this eDNA to determine what animals have passed 89 00:03:51.990 --> 00:03:55.773 through an area or even nearby and not easily seen. 90 00:03:56.730 --> 00:03:59.610 Today we'll learn how Luke McCartin sequences eDNA 91 00:03:59.610 --> 00:04:01.290 to better understand the corals that live 92 00:04:01.290 --> 00:04:02.670 in the deepest waters 93 00:04:02.670 --> 00:04:05.250 of Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary, 94 00:04:05.250 --> 00:04:07.143 even the ones we can't see. 95 00:04:10.620 --> 00:04:13.170 Luke is originally from Massachusetts and in one way 96 00:04:13.170 --> 00:04:14.670 or another, he has been studying the ocean 97 00:04:14.670 --> 00:04:16.080 for his entire life. 98 00:04:16.080 --> 00:04:18.420 He's an avid recreational angler and some 99 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:21.000 of his fondest childhood memories are of chasing schools 100 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.259 of bluefish with his dad in his grandfather's Boston Whaler. 101 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:25.926 He received his undergraduate degree 102 00:04:25.926 --> 00:04:28.800 from the University of Vermont and then returned 103 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.490 to Massachusetts to work in oceanography at Woods Hole. 104 00:04:32.490 --> 00:04:36.000 Now as a PhD student at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. 105 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:37.837 Luke been studying the corals 106 00:04:37.837 --> 00:04:40.560 in the deepest parts of the sanctuary. 107 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.020 He has spent months at sea and has been fortunate 108 00:04:43.020 --> 00:04:44.839 to participate in research expeditions 109 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.813 to explore the abundant corals that thrive in the deep Gulf. 110 00:04:48.813 --> 00:04:49.923 Welcome, Luke. 111 00:04:53.450 --> 00:04:55.560 Hi, Kelly. Thanks so much. 112 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:56.969 Hi, good to have you. 113 00:04:56.969 --> 00:05:00.120 All right, here comes the control over to you. 114 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:00.953 Great. 115 00:05:01.830 --> 00:05:03.120 Looks good. 116 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:04.296 All right. 117 00:05:04.296 --> 00:05:09.296 All right, so thank you again Kelly for having me. 118 00:05:09.330 --> 00:05:11.923 I'm really happy to be here. 119 00:05:11.923 --> 00:05:14.010 I also wanna thank you all for joining in. 120 00:05:14.010 --> 00:05:15.570 I know I have some friends and family here, 121 00:05:15.570 --> 00:05:17.640 so thank you all for showing up. 122 00:05:17.640 --> 00:05:19.993 You're not on your starting slide. 123 00:05:19.993 --> 00:05:20.826 Oh. 124 00:05:22.020 --> 00:05:24.086 There we go. 125 00:05:24.086 --> 00:05:26.370 Am I back on the starting slide? 126 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:27.540 Yes. 127 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:29.943 Okay. I see what's going on. 128 00:05:31.260 --> 00:05:34.230 Okay, so again, thanks Kelly so much. 129 00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:36.930 My name is Luke McCartin, I'm a PhD student. 130 00:05:36.930 --> 00:05:39.720 I'm currently at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania, 131 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.540 and I'm a member of Dr. Santiago Herrera's Lab. 132 00:05:42.540 --> 00:05:45.480 And in the Herrera Lab we study deep sea corals 133 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.930 and specifically I work on environmental DNA sequencing 134 00:05:48.930 --> 00:05:50.190 like Kelly mentioned. 135 00:05:50.190 --> 00:05:52.538 And so today I'm gonna talk with you about that 136 00:05:52.538 --> 00:05:54.102 and the title of my talk is 137 00:05:54.102 --> 00:05:57.660 Coral Forensics in the Deep Flower Garden Banks. 138 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:58.493 All right, 139 00:05:58.493 --> 00:06:01.267 so I just wanna give you a little bit more information 140 00:06:01.267 --> 00:06:03.930 about myself and tell you kind of how I got here. 141 00:06:03.930 --> 00:06:05.670 So as Kelly mentioned, I'm originally 142 00:06:05.670 --> 00:06:08.580 from coastal Massachusetts, so I grew up on Cape Cod 143 00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:10.615 and lived there year round, kind of surrounded 144 00:06:10.615 --> 00:06:12.360 by the water in all directions. 145 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:13.465 And like Kelly said, some 146 00:06:13.465 --> 00:06:15.840 of my favorite childhood memories were going out 147 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:19.530 and actually exploring the coastal ecosystems around me. 148 00:06:19.530 --> 00:06:21.120 And so this photo here is a photo 149 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:22.740 of my father, my younger sister 150 00:06:22.740 --> 00:06:25.200 and I on my grandfather's Boston Whaler. 151 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:27.630 And while I didn't necessarily know going 152 00:06:27.630 --> 00:06:29.730 through kind of my career path that I was going 153 00:06:29.730 --> 00:06:32.880 to be a marine biologist, I have always been surrounded 154 00:06:32.880 --> 00:06:34.657 by the ocean and in one way 155 00:06:34.657 --> 00:06:37.451 or another, I think it's the perfect fitting for me. 156 00:06:38.572 --> 00:06:41.070 So like Kelly mentioned, I worked in Woods Hole 157 00:06:41.070 --> 00:06:43.410 in Massachusetts and studied deep sea biology. 158 00:06:43.410 --> 00:06:46.050 And this was right after I finished my undergraduate degree 159 00:06:46.050 --> 00:06:47.790 at the University of Vermont. 160 00:06:47.790 --> 00:06:49.410 And I guess now I've been, I've working 161 00:06:49.410 --> 00:06:51.660 as a deep sea biologist for quite a while. 162 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:53.370 So it's been about five years. 163 00:06:53.370 --> 00:06:54.450 And in that time I've gotten 164 00:06:54.450 --> 00:06:56.790 to explore some really awesome places. 165 00:06:56.790 --> 00:06:58.470 I've been around the world and I've also gotten 166 00:06:58.470 --> 00:06:59.670 to explore the Gulf Coast, 167 00:06:59.670 --> 00:07:01.650 which has been a really great experience. 168 00:07:01.650 --> 00:07:04.590 Spent some time of course in the Gulf of Mexico at sea, 169 00:07:04.590 --> 00:07:06.600 but also in some other destinations 170 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.520 like Gulfport, even spent a few days 171 00:07:08.520 --> 00:07:09.750 in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. 172 00:07:09.750 --> 00:07:12.600 And I've really gotten to enjoy that part of my research. 173 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.040 So I moved to Pennsylvania to actually pursue my PhD, 174 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.440 and as soon as I moved to Pennsylvania, I started working 175 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:22.320 in the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 176 00:07:22.320 --> 00:07:25.500 So I think just a month after I started my PhD, I was asked 177 00:07:25.500 --> 00:07:28.020 by my advisor to go on a research cruise. 178 00:07:28.020 --> 00:07:29.100 And here we spent four 179 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:31.380 or five days actually collecting samples 180 00:07:31.380 --> 00:07:33.660 to sequence environmental DNA. 181 00:07:33.660 --> 00:07:37.740 And then about a year and a half ago now, I went out 182 00:07:37.740 --> 00:07:39.900 for a second cruise in the Gulf of Mexico 183 00:07:39.900 --> 00:07:42.330 and we spent almost 20 days going around 184 00:07:42.330 --> 00:07:45.150 and looking at the deep water habitats that exist 185 00:07:45.150 --> 00:07:47.550 in the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary, 186 00:07:47.550 --> 00:07:49.590 taking really fantastic pictures of corals 187 00:07:49.590 --> 00:07:51.720 and collecting more eDNA samples. 188 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.580 And most, most, if not all of the pictures 189 00:07:53.580 --> 00:07:55.200 that I'm gonna show you today were all taken 190 00:07:55.200 --> 00:07:56.490 during this cruise and are 191 00:07:56.490 --> 00:07:58.353 from the National Marine Sanctuary. 192 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:02.940 So today I hope to answer a few questions for you 193 00:08:02.940 --> 00:08:05.580 and teach you not only about my research, 194 00:08:05.580 --> 00:08:08.310 but also about deep coral habitats in general. 195 00:08:08.310 --> 00:08:09.360 So the first question I hope 196 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.480 to answer is, what do deep coral habitats look like? 197 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:13.980 So you might have some familiarity 198 00:08:13.980 --> 00:08:16.410 with coral reefs, you might have learned about coral reefs 199 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:18.493 in the news or been to a coral reef yourself 200 00:08:18.493 --> 00:08:19.620 and gone snorkeling. 201 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:21.275 But I imagine that few of you 202 00:08:21.275 --> 00:08:23.351 actually know about deep sea corals 203 00:08:23.351 --> 00:08:25.842 and what they might look like in the habitats 204 00:08:25.842 --> 00:08:27.000 that they create. 205 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.845 The next thing I'd like to talk about 206 00:08:28.845 --> 00:08:31.128 is how we actually study these deep corals. 207 00:08:31.128 --> 00:08:33.030 So deep corals, for the purposes 208 00:08:33.030 --> 00:08:34.797 of this talk, are those corals 209 00:08:34.797 --> 00:08:37.950 that exist below the depths of recreational scuba diving. 210 00:08:37.950 --> 00:08:39.780 So there are some techniques that can be used 211 00:08:39.780 --> 00:08:41.775 to actually get to the deep ocean 212 00:08:41.775 --> 00:08:43.650 to study corals as a diver. 213 00:08:43.650 --> 00:08:45.900 So there are techniques called technical diving 214 00:08:45.900 --> 00:08:48.360 that involve using different mixed gases. 215 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.402 But today I'm gonna focus on what I do 216 00:08:50.402 --> 00:08:52.319 and what our lab does, which is 217 00:08:52.319 --> 00:08:54.782 to actually use both submersibles as well 218 00:08:54.782 --> 00:08:57.810 as robotic vehicles to study these deep corals. 219 00:08:57.810 --> 00:09:00.120 And then lastly, I'm gonna talk about my research. 220 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.070 And my research involves actually trying 221 00:09:02.070 --> 00:09:05.490 to identify corals, not just by looking at them in video, 222 00:09:05.490 --> 00:09:07.950 but also by sequencing the genetic traces 223 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:10.783 that they might leave behind in their environment. 224 00:09:10.783 --> 00:09:12.000 And so let's get started. 225 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.697 So let's talk about what deep sea coral habitats 226 00:09:14.697 --> 00:09:15.955 actually look like. 227 00:09:16.804 --> 00:09:18.510 So this photo here is a photo 228 00:09:18.510 --> 00:09:21.467 that I actually took myself off the coast of Hawaii. 229 00:09:21.467 --> 00:09:22.312 So this is in a place called 230 00:09:22.312 --> 00:09:24.840 Kaneohe Bay, which is really fantastic. 231 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:25.889 I admittedly don't have 232 00:09:25.889 --> 00:09:28.620 that much experience actually snorkeling. 233 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:30.581 This was kind of only my second 234 00:09:30.581 --> 00:09:33.762 or third opportunity actually snorkeling on a coral reef. 235 00:09:33.762 --> 00:09:36.330 Growing up in Massachusetts, it's pretty cold for most 236 00:09:36.330 --> 00:09:37.950 of the year and I don't have many friends 237 00:09:37.950 --> 00:09:39.120 that were actually into snorkeling, 238 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.130 so it's just something I didn't necessarily do, 239 00:09:41.130 --> 00:09:43.800 although I was always on the water, mostly fishing. 240 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:45.720 And so what you can see here is 241 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.990 that off the coast of Hawaii there are these really awesome 242 00:09:48.990 --> 00:09:50.550 coral reef habitats like there are 243 00:09:50.550 --> 00:09:53.250 in the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 244 00:09:53.250 --> 00:09:55.080 And what really struck me as I went through 245 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:56.400 and snorkeled here and took a look 246 00:09:56.400 --> 00:09:58.410 around is how the coral grows. 247 00:09:58.410 --> 00:10:00.990 So this was just during a swim I took with a mask 248 00:10:00.990 --> 00:10:04.440 and a snorkel off of one of the public beaches, 249 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.930 and all of a sudden I ran into these fields of corals. 250 00:10:06.930 --> 00:10:08.641 And now this coral is called rice coral 251 00:10:08.641 --> 00:10:10.440 and it's a stony coral. 252 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:13.260 And as you can see, it creates this reef habitat. 253 00:10:13.260 --> 00:10:14.460 You might be able to make it out, 254 00:10:14.460 --> 00:10:16.770 but there's a butterfly fish in the middle here. 255 00:10:16.770 --> 00:10:20.580 And so this reef habitat kind of expands upon the bottom 256 00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:23.190 and creates habitat for different fish as well 257 00:10:23.190 --> 00:10:24.930 as invertebrate species. 258 00:10:24.930 --> 00:10:28.170 So things like crabs and shrimps and other animals. 259 00:10:28.170 --> 00:10:29.670 And the reason why corals 260 00:10:29.670 --> 00:10:31.770 in the shallow water would grow this way is 261 00:10:31.770 --> 00:10:33.605 because they're trying to soak up 262 00:10:33.605 --> 00:10:35.420 as much sunlight as possible. 263 00:10:35.420 --> 00:10:38.760 So shallow coral reefs, for the most part rely on sunlight. 264 00:10:38.760 --> 00:10:41.760 The coral here, as you can see, is this brown gold color 265 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:42.893 and it's that color 266 00:10:42.893 --> 00:10:44.790 because these corals have photosynthetic algae 267 00:10:44.790 --> 00:10:46.920 that actually live within their tissues. 268 00:10:46.920 --> 00:10:49.140 And so these algae can actually take in the sunlight 269 00:10:49.140 --> 00:10:50.957 from the surface and convert that to energy 270 00:10:50.957 --> 00:10:52.770 that the coral uses. 271 00:10:52.770 --> 00:10:55.260 And so that's why you see these habitats that grow like this 272 00:10:55.260 --> 00:10:57.243 and spread out in this expansive way. 273 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.320 Now I'm gonna show you some images from the Gulf of Mexico. 274 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.150 And so both of these images were taken 275 00:11:03.150 --> 00:11:05.970 at a place called Green Canyon, which is south of the Texas 276 00:11:05.970 --> 00:11:08.250 and Louisiana coasts, and at a depth of 277 00:11:08.250 --> 00:11:10.200 around 1700 feet deep. 278 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.494 So this is a pretty deep place. 279 00:11:12.494 --> 00:11:14.468 And the first thing you'll notice is 280 00:11:14.468 --> 00:11:16.770 that here it's perpetually dark. 281 00:11:16.770 --> 00:11:19.380 So in the deep ocean at these depths, there's no light 282 00:11:19.380 --> 00:11:21.930 that would penetrate down to these corals. 283 00:11:21.930 --> 00:11:24.580 The only light that you're seeing in this image 284 00:11:24.580 --> 00:11:26.790 is actually light we are actually introducing 285 00:11:26.790 --> 00:11:29.640 into the environment using the submersible. 286 00:11:29.640 --> 00:11:31.760 And so what I want you to notice is 287 00:11:31.760 --> 00:11:33.780 that these corals look very different 288 00:11:33.780 --> 00:11:36.012 than the stony reef corals that I showed you 289 00:11:36.012 --> 00:11:37.527 in the previous slide. 290 00:11:37.527 --> 00:11:41.983 So these corals actually grow in this fan shape here, 291 00:11:41.983 --> 00:11:44.400 and you can see some more in the background. 292 00:11:44.400 --> 00:11:46.570 These are called soft corals. 293 00:11:46.570 --> 00:11:49.223 And then another type of coral that grows in this fan shape 294 00:11:49.223 --> 00:11:51.230 in the deep sea are called black corals 295 00:11:51.230 --> 00:11:52.970 and they're called black corals 296 00:11:52.970 --> 00:11:54.870 because of the color of their skeleton mainly. 297 00:11:54.870 --> 00:11:56.953 And both of these types of corals are growing 298 00:11:56.953 --> 00:11:58.680 in a way that resembles a tree. 299 00:11:58.680 --> 00:12:00.600 And there's a really nice word for that that we use 300 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:01.860 and that's called arborescent. 301 00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:04.260 So they look like trees. And they're doing this 302 00:12:04.260 --> 00:12:07.320 because they don't have sunlight in the photosynthetic algae 303 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.038 to rely on to actually create energy here. 304 00:12:10.038 --> 00:12:12.000 What they're doing is they're trying 305 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.250 to prop themselves up into the current so 306 00:12:14.250 --> 00:12:16.140 that that current brings them food. 307 00:12:16.140 --> 00:12:17.490 And they might be feeding on things 308 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:19.980 like plankton that are swept by them. 309 00:12:19.980 --> 00:12:21.930 They might also be catching small prey 310 00:12:21.930 --> 00:12:24.330 like small shrimp and other crustaceans. 311 00:12:24.330 --> 00:12:26.400 And so these habitats look quite different, 312 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:28.350 but they're just as fantastic, I think. 313 00:12:29.192 --> 00:12:31.620 One thing I want you to remember though is 314 00:12:31.620 --> 00:12:34.865 that in the deep ocean, stony corals also build reefs. 315 00:12:34.865 --> 00:12:37.555 So this is something that's pretty, pretty fantastic 316 00:12:37.555 --> 00:12:39.840 is that these habitats can in a way look 317 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.720 like shallow water habitats in some places. 318 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.240 This is also a picture taken at Green Canyon, 319 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:46.800 and what you're seeing here is you're seeing 320 00:12:46.800 --> 00:12:49.725 a stony coral reef that's been formed by the growth 321 00:12:49.725 --> 00:12:51.297 of a coral called Lophelia. 322 00:12:51.297 --> 00:12:53.322 And this coral in the deep ocean forms 323 00:12:53.322 --> 00:12:55.695 these really large reefs that grow up on themselves 324 00:12:55.695 --> 00:12:56.940 and create habitat. 325 00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:59.370 And here we have some interesting deep sea organisms 326 00:12:59.370 --> 00:13:01.500 that have called this habitat home. 327 00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:04.421 So you have things like squat lobsters, you can kind 328 00:13:04.421 --> 00:13:08.513 of think of these as somewhere between a crab and a lobster. 329 00:13:08.513 --> 00:13:11.100 Other animals like this really cool shrimp here 330 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:13.980 that has this interesting white and red color pattern. 331 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.750 And then lots of anemones. 332 00:13:15.750 --> 00:13:18.230 And when I was actually looking through the video 333 00:13:18.230 --> 00:13:20.200 at this site, I only saw these anemones living 334 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.290 on this stony hard coral structure. 335 00:13:22.290 --> 00:13:24.300 You also see this big fish here. 336 00:13:24.300 --> 00:13:26.500 And what I want you to take away from this is 337 00:13:26.500 --> 00:13:28.496 that just like in the shallow water, 338 00:13:28.496 --> 00:13:31.577 in some places, these stony corals actually create habitat 339 00:13:31.577 --> 00:13:32.790 for other animals. 340 00:13:33.900 --> 00:13:36.450 And now the last type of coral ecosystem that I'd like 341 00:13:36.450 --> 00:13:40.410 to introduce you to is called a mesophotic coral ecosystem. 342 00:13:40.410 --> 00:13:43.560 And this is the type of ecosystem that comprises most 343 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:46.410 of the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 344 00:13:46.410 --> 00:13:48.300 I think this picture is just fantastic. 345 00:13:48.300 --> 00:13:51.033 I'm so glad that we were able to capture this 346 00:13:51.033 --> 00:13:53.250 because we actually turned the lights 347 00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:55.110 off when we took this picture. 348 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:57.960 One thing we tend to do when we are exploring the deep ocean 349 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.047 is we want to be able to see around so we don't get lost 350 00:14:01.047 --> 00:14:03.210 or bump into things, but every once 351 00:14:03.210 --> 00:14:05.430 in a while when we're sitting still, it's fine 352 00:14:05.430 --> 00:14:07.447 to turn off the lights and you can really take 353 00:14:07.447 --> 00:14:10.260 in what the animals that live there are actually seeing. 354 00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:11.722 And so what you're seeing 355 00:14:11.722 --> 00:14:14.010 in this image is a huge black coral fan. 356 00:14:14.010 --> 00:14:16.020 This is called Plumapathes. 357 00:14:16.020 --> 00:14:18.060 I'm gonna use some scientific names today, not 358 00:14:18.060 --> 00:14:20.400 because you necessarily need to remember them, but only 359 00:14:20.400 --> 00:14:22.230 because they're quite nice. 360 00:14:22.230 --> 00:14:24.960 And so this Plumapathes coral is called Plumapathes 361 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.870 because it grows like a plume or like a feather. 362 00:14:27.870 --> 00:14:30.480 And this coral is fantastic, it's really large. 363 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.060 There's also some creole fish over here as well 364 00:14:33.060 --> 00:14:35.570 as grouper that are swimming by. 365 00:14:35.570 --> 00:14:36.862 And this coral lives 366 00:14:36.862 --> 00:14:39.420 in an environment where there is some light 367 00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:40.590 but not that much. 368 00:14:40.590 --> 00:14:42.600 And so this picture was actually taken 369 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.820 at Bright Bank, which is part 370 00:14:44.820 --> 00:14:47.310 of the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary 371 00:14:47.310 --> 00:14:49.350 at a depth of around 200 feet. 372 00:14:49.350 --> 00:14:52.290 And so here there's some light that penetrates 373 00:14:52.290 --> 00:14:54.570 towards these coral ecosystems, 374 00:14:54.570 --> 00:14:57.390 but it's still mostly dimly lit or dark. 375 00:14:57.390 --> 00:15:00.780 And so what's really interesting about the mesophotic ocean, 376 00:15:00.780 --> 00:15:02.370 and so that is the area 377 00:15:02.370 --> 00:15:04.290 of a coral reef where there is some light, 378 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:08.160 but it's dimly lit, it means middle light in a sense, is 379 00:15:08.160 --> 00:15:10.830 that you can see a really fantastic number 380 00:15:10.830 --> 00:15:13.620 of different coral types in these habitats. 381 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:16.590 There are some corals that are adapted to shallower depths 382 00:15:16.590 --> 00:15:19.290 and other corals that are adapted to deeper depths. 383 00:15:19.290 --> 00:15:21.660 And in my experience, we see them all converge 384 00:15:21.660 --> 00:15:22.500 in the mesophotic. 385 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:25.080 And you really see these fantastic coral fans 386 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:26.655 that all live together. 387 00:15:30.150 --> 00:15:33.150 And so the takeaway from my first point here is 388 00:15:33.150 --> 00:15:35.970 that deep coral habitats can in a way look like those 389 00:15:35.970 --> 00:15:37.860 in shallow water so they can form reefs, 390 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:39.270 but they can also look quite different 391 00:15:39.270 --> 00:15:40.950 and be composed of coral fans. 392 00:15:40.950 --> 00:15:43.950 And the mesophotic ocean has a lot of coral species. 393 00:15:43.950 --> 00:15:46.050 And now going ahead, what I want to talk about is 394 00:15:46.050 --> 00:15:49.397 how we can actually study these deep corals. 395 00:15:49.397 --> 00:15:50.573 So if you were unaware, 396 00:15:50.573 --> 00:15:53.360 the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary 397 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.200 was very recently expanded. 398 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.510 So the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary 399 00:15:57.510 --> 00:16:00.810 started as just three banks, west Flower Garden, 400 00:16:00.810 --> 00:16:02.880 Stetson Bank, and East Flower Garden. 401 00:16:02.880 --> 00:16:05.910 And then in 2021 it was expanded to include a number 402 00:16:05.910 --> 00:16:08.010 of other banks that are all shown on this map here 403 00:16:08.010 --> 00:16:09.480 in our highlighted in white. 404 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:11.332 Bright Bank, where the coral is 405 00:16:11.332 --> 00:16:14.465 from that I just showed you, is right here in the middle. 406 00:16:14.465 --> 00:16:16.020 And so with the expansion of 407 00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:18.120 the Flower Garden banks National Marine Sanctuary, 408 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:20.310 now we have all of these important coral habitats 409 00:16:20.310 --> 00:16:22.364 that are protected from bottom damaging activities, 410 00:16:22.364 --> 00:16:23.610 as we call them. 411 00:16:23.610 --> 00:16:26.282 And so that means here only recreational hook 412 00:16:26.282 --> 00:16:28.021 and line fishing is allowed. 413 00:16:31.210 --> 00:16:33.660 And what I wanna point out from this figure is 414 00:16:33.660 --> 00:16:35.700 that while we know quite a bit about some 415 00:16:35.700 --> 00:16:38.700 of these coral reef banks, we don't know all 416 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:40.410 that much about some of them. 417 00:16:40.410 --> 00:16:45.180 So, this figure here shows the number of different corals 418 00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:48.090 that are found in these different places based on data 419 00:16:48.090 --> 00:16:50.400 from NOAA's Deep Sea Coral data portal. 420 00:16:50.400 --> 00:16:52.500 And the search that I did includes those corals 421 00:16:52.500 --> 00:16:55.470 that live at mesophotic or deeper depths. 422 00:16:55.470 --> 00:16:59.250 And so as you can see, some of these banks 423 00:16:59.250 --> 00:17:02.310 or habitats, we know a lot of coral species from them 424 00:17:02.310 --> 00:17:03.870 and others, we know very little. 425 00:17:03.870 --> 00:17:05.760 And the total number of observations 426 00:17:05.760 --> 00:17:09.150 in this database is given at the top of each of these bars. 427 00:17:09.150 --> 00:17:10.800 I've colored the bars based on whether 428 00:17:10.800 --> 00:17:12.330 or not they were part of the original 429 00:17:12.330 --> 00:17:15.113 Flower Garden banks National Marine Sanctuary or whether 430 00:17:15.113 --> 00:17:17.550 or not they were just recently incorporated 431 00:17:17.550 --> 00:17:18.870 into the sanctuary. 432 00:17:18.870 --> 00:17:20.730 And those that are in blue have been a part 433 00:17:20.730 --> 00:17:23.613 of the sanctuary since its beginning. 434 00:17:23.613 --> 00:17:26.130 And as you can see, well we know quite a bit about some 435 00:17:26.130 --> 00:17:28.470 of the banks that were just recently protected, 436 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:30.630 such as Geyer Bank here, where we know there's 437 00:17:30.630 --> 00:17:32.430 at least over 20 different coral types 438 00:17:32.430 --> 00:17:34.500 and we have some observations from there. 439 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:36.660 Some of these other banks, at least 440 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:39.852 in this deep sea coral database, are relatively unknown. 441 00:17:39.852 --> 00:17:42.450 So the place I've been showing you, Bright Bank, 442 00:17:42.450 --> 00:17:44.220 in this database, at least, all we know is 443 00:17:44.220 --> 00:17:46.170 that there are a few different types of corals 444 00:17:46.170 --> 00:17:48.720 and there's only a few observations too. 445 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.540 And so what we try and do as deep sea explorers, I guess, 446 00:17:51.540 --> 00:17:53.490 and what I try and do in my research is to try 447 00:17:53.490 --> 00:17:56.490 and characterize the diversity of different corals 448 00:17:56.490 --> 00:17:59.813 that live in this place and the habitats that they support. 449 00:17:59.813 --> 00:18:03.148 And so next I'm gonna talk about how we actually do that. 450 00:18:03.148 --> 00:18:05.700 And so I mentioned earlier that you can dive 451 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:08.490 to these depths if you have the right training, 452 00:18:08.490 --> 00:18:10.800 but the ways that we do it in the lab largely rely 453 00:18:10.800 --> 00:18:14.040 on different technologies including submersibles as well 454 00:18:14.040 --> 00:18:17.655 as remotely operated vehicles, which I'll touch on. 455 00:18:17.655 --> 00:18:19.260 So here I'm just gonna talk 456 00:18:19.260 --> 00:18:21.030 to you about one deep sea submersible 457 00:18:21.030 --> 00:18:24.150 that's really close to my heart because I actually got 458 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:25.920 to dive in it just a month ago. 459 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.220 And this is the deep sea submersible Alvin. If you happened 460 00:18:29.220 --> 00:18:32.310 to tune in for Tom Bright's talk last week, Tom talked about 461 00:18:32.310 --> 00:18:35.940 his experiences diving in a deep ocean submersible 462 00:18:35.940 --> 00:18:38.310 to actually explore the Flower Garden Banks. 463 00:18:38.310 --> 00:18:40.800 And so in these deep sea submersibles, like Alvin 464 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:42.180 or like the one that Tom dove in, 465 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:44.610 essentially what happens is you have a couple 466 00:18:44.610 --> 00:18:47.130 of scientists, and maybe another person who's 467 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:50.730 actually piloting the sub, who go down and look around 468 00:18:50.730 --> 00:18:53.250 and collect samples for the entire scientific group 469 00:18:53.250 --> 00:18:55.440 that's conducting the expedition. 470 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.480 And so I was really fortunate to be able to go 471 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.390 on a cruise where we used Alvin just a month ago 472 00:19:00.390 --> 00:19:02.940 and I got a chance to actually dive down 473 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:05.190 and see corals for the first time. 474 00:19:05.190 --> 00:19:06.930 It was a little nerve wracking at the start, 475 00:19:06.930 --> 00:19:09.300 I'm not gonna lie, we were going pretty deep down 476 00:19:09.300 --> 00:19:10.980 to about a mile and a half. 477 00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:13.260 But as I got comfortable, it was just fantastic. 478 00:19:13.260 --> 00:19:15.570 And so I was really fortunate to be a part 479 00:19:15.570 --> 00:19:18.600 of the dive where I actually got to see a deep sea coral. 480 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:21.390 And so this is what is called a bamboo coral. 481 00:19:21.390 --> 00:19:23.590 And I saw this coral at 2,500 meters, 482 00:19:23.590 --> 00:19:26.550 which is about a mile and a half deep. 483 00:19:26.550 --> 00:19:29.520 This is probably the worst picture, quality-wise, 484 00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:33.197 that I'll actually show you for the duration of the talk, 485 00:19:33.197 --> 00:19:35.967 but I took it myself out of the window of the sub, 486 00:19:35.967 --> 00:19:37.427 so I really wanna share it 487 00:19:37.427 --> 00:19:39.742 with everyone who cares to listen. 488 00:19:39.742 --> 00:19:41.400 And so after I saw this coral 489 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.440 and we conducted all the other things that we needed 490 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:44.556 to do when we were 491 00:19:44.556 --> 00:19:46.830 on the sea floor, I did make it up safely. 492 00:19:46.830 --> 00:19:48.810 So here I am getting out of the sub. 493 00:19:48.810 --> 00:19:51.120 And so I just want to kind of talk about my own experience 494 00:19:51.120 --> 00:19:52.410 and talk about how this is something 495 00:19:52.410 --> 00:19:54.420 that happens in deep sea exploration. 496 00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:55.980 But I think it's pretty rare. 497 00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:59.460 Not too many cruises or research expeditions actually go out 498 00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:00.720 and use submersibles. 499 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.400 And I'm just fortunate to have gotten the chance 500 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.470 to see these things firsthand. 501 00:20:04.470 --> 00:20:07.740 What we normally do is we don't see things firsthand. 502 00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:11.070 We actually put a robotic vehicle over the side of the ship 503 00:20:11.070 --> 00:20:12.210 and take a look around 504 00:20:12.210 --> 00:20:15.300 and then watch the video feed back at the surface. 505 00:20:15.300 --> 00:20:17.490 And we do this using a vehicle called 506 00:20:17.490 --> 00:20:20.070 a remotely operated vehicle. 507 00:20:20.070 --> 00:20:22.140 And the one you're seeing here is called 508 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:23.610 the Global Explorer. 509 00:20:23.610 --> 00:20:26.490 The pictures I showed you previously from deeper depths 510 00:20:26.490 --> 00:20:29.220 as well as the Flower Garden Banks Marine Sanctuary were 511 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.357 all taken using the Global Explorer a couple of years ago. 512 00:20:32.357 --> 00:20:34.800 And how these work is they're actually connected 513 00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:37.050 to the ship and you can see this here. 514 00:20:37.050 --> 00:20:39.630 So what we have here is called a tether, 515 00:20:39.630 --> 00:20:42.120 and that tether connects to the ship 516 00:20:42.120 --> 00:20:45.210 and actually transmits the information down to the ship. 517 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:47.520 So electricity, power and all the sorts of things 518 00:20:47.520 --> 00:20:51.150 that the ROV or the remotely operated vehicle needs to move 519 00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:54.350 around, take pictures and collect samples. 520 00:20:54.350 --> 00:20:56.520 So all the while, while it's connected 521 00:20:56.520 --> 00:20:59.010 to the ship, we are actually controlling it 522 00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:00.360 from the surface. 523 00:21:00.360 --> 00:21:04.077 And so this is what it looks like during a an ROV dive. 524 00:21:04.077 --> 00:21:07.229 And so in the ROV control room, there's always a lot 525 00:21:07.229 --> 00:21:09.300 of screens to see what's going on. 526 00:21:09.300 --> 00:21:11.490 And while we are mostly concerned with some 527 00:21:11.490 --> 00:21:12.780 of these screens here to actually look 528 00:21:12.780 --> 00:21:15.390 at the animals, a lot of the other screens are there 529 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:18.630 because it helps the pilots, who are actually flying 530 00:21:18.630 --> 00:21:21.060 the ROV around, navigate. 531 00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:22.560 And so what's really neat, 532 00:21:22.560 --> 00:21:24.060 and I thought quite serendipitous, is 533 00:21:24.060 --> 00:21:26.910 that I had actually snapped a picture on my cell phone, 534 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:28.920 inside the ROV control room, when we saw 535 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:30.210 that really fantastic coral 536 00:21:30.210 --> 00:21:32.790 that I've been showing you, the Plumapathes coral. 537 00:21:32.790 --> 00:21:34.950 And so this kind of gets you an idea of what it looks like. 538 00:21:34.950 --> 00:21:37.200 It's really dark in there, but we have all these views 539 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.660 of the corals we can move around and take pictures 540 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:40.770 of everything. 541 00:21:40.770 --> 00:21:43.530 On the far left is my advisor Santiago Herrera, 542 00:21:43.530 --> 00:21:46.740 and he's there kind of leading the dive as I take notes 543 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:50.550 and then flying the ROV is Jim and Jim is flying it 544 00:21:50.550 --> 00:21:52.740 around, making sure we don't bump into anything 545 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:54.420 and actually helping us do our science, 546 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:57.300 and see corals that we might not be seeing ourselves. 547 00:21:57.300 --> 00:22:00.000 And so what's really interesting about using ROVs, 548 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.220 and I think really fantastic, which is a little different 549 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.810 than using a submarine, is 550 00:22:03.810 --> 00:22:05.850 that everyone is kind of involved. 551 00:22:05.850 --> 00:22:07.920 So while we were conducting these dives, 552 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.650 we were not only looking at it ourselves in the control room 553 00:22:10.650 --> 00:22:14.400 and moving around, we were also live streaming the feed 554 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:15.810 down to the rest of the ship. 555 00:22:15.810 --> 00:22:17.940 So you could be potentially eating your lunch 556 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:19.620 and watching deep sea exploration going 557 00:22:19.620 --> 00:22:22.260 on, which is really fun and makes everyone feel 558 00:22:22.260 --> 00:22:23.971 a part of the expedition. 559 00:22:26.912 --> 00:22:29.880 Okay, now I'm gonna get into the last part of my talk 560 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.100 and the most of my talk, which is gonna be talking 561 00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:33.930 about how we can actually identify corals 562 00:22:33.930 --> 00:22:35.583 from their genetic traces. 563 00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:39.750 So this image here is another image taken 564 00:22:39.750 --> 00:22:42.660 in the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 565 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:44.910 And what I want you to take away from this picture is 566 00:22:44.910 --> 00:22:46.860 that there are a lot of corals here. 567 00:22:46.860 --> 00:22:48.240 This is a zoomed in photo. 568 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.340 So most of these corals are quite small 569 00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:53.663 and there's multiple different types of corals here. 570 00:22:53.663 --> 00:22:56.250 And what I'm gonna do for your entertainment is kind 571 00:22:56.250 --> 00:22:59.520 of quiz myself on how well I can identify these species just 572 00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:01.048 from the picture alone. 573 00:23:01.048 --> 00:23:03.685 Let's see how I do. So the first coral I would go 574 00:23:03.685 --> 00:23:05.312 for when I was actually looking 575 00:23:05.312 --> 00:23:08.010 at this picture would be this one in the middle. 576 00:23:08.010 --> 00:23:10.650 And this is called Antipathes atlantica, 577 00:23:10.650 --> 00:23:12.990 and this is a coral that is a black coral. 578 00:23:12.990 --> 00:23:14.520 So it's closely related 579 00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:16.920 to the Plumapathes I showed you earlier, 580 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:18.372 and it's pretty distinct. 581 00:23:18.372 --> 00:23:21.270 So when I see this one, although it might be pretty small, 582 00:23:21.270 --> 00:23:22.973 there's a good chance that I'll be able 583 00:23:22.973 --> 00:23:24.510 to identify it pretty readily. 584 00:23:24.510 --> 00:23:26.550 It comes in a couple of different shades. 585 00:23:26.550 --> 00:23:29.130 So you can see there's kind of a lighter gray color here, 586 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:32.743 and then a darker one, but overall it's not too bad. 587 00:23:32.743 --> 00:23:35.160 The next one I would go for if I was trying 588 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.890 to identify these corals is this one on the right, 589 00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:39.840 and this is called Ellisella. 590 00:23:39.840 --> 00:23:41.790 This is more closely related actually 591 00:23:41.790 --> 00:23:44.130 to the soft coral fan I showed you earlier, 592 00:23:44.130 --> 00:23:46.980 or the gorgonian corals that Kelly mentioned, 593 00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:48.900 but it grows in a single stick-like 594 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.330 fashion with some curve to it. 595 00:23:51.330 --> 00:23:53.550 And the little coral polyps kind of extend off 596 00:23:53.550 --> 00:23:56.400 of the sides as you can see in the picture. 597 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:57.630 That one I'm pretty good at. 598 00:23:57.630 --> 00:23:59.730 There's a few different species that look similar, 599 00:23:59.730 --> 00:24:03.037 but at least I know what type it is in a pretty good way. 600 00:24:03.037 --> 00:24:05.794 And so I can be confident telling you that that's Ellisella. 601 00:24:05.794 --> 00:24:07.538 The next one I'm going to look 602 00:24:07.538 --> 00:24:09.540 at is this one over here on the left. 603 00:24:09.540 --> 00:24:11.850 Now this is another type of black coral, 604 00:24:11.850 --> 00:24:14.970 and I think it might be Tanacetipathes, except 605 00:24:14.970 --> 00:24:17.880 that Tanacetipathes, in my experience tends 606 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.828 to branch differently and not form as many plumes 607 00:24:20.828 --> 00:24:22.615 like the Plumapathes. 608 00:24:22.615 --> 00:24:24.810 Now, I don't think this is Plumapathes, 609 00:24:24.810 --> 00:24:28.142 although it's possible it might be a very small Plumapathes. 610 00:24:28.142 --> 00:24:31.230 And I don't think it's another species called Elatopathes 611 00:24:31.230 --> 00:24:33.098 because Elatopathes, I'm used 612 00:24:33.098 --> 00:24:35.610 to seeing quite a bit more deep than this. 613 00:24:35.610 --> 00:24:37.770 So what I would do with this picture, is I would take it 614 00:24:37.770 --> 00:24:39.540 and I would send it to our collaborators. 615 00:24:39.540 --> 00:24:42.480 So these might be folks who their expertise is really 616 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.958 in identifying corals 617 00:24:43.958 --> 00:24:46.470 and they can identify corals sometimes just 618 00:24:46.470 --> 00:24:48.628 from pictures alone based off of all 619 00:24:48.628 --> 00:24:51.074 of the corals they've actually held in their hands in places 620 00:24:51.074 --> 00:24:53.652 like museums around the world. 621 00:24:53.652 --> 00:24:56.226 The next coral I'm gonna look at is this one here. 622 00:24:56.226 --> 00:24:58.680 This one you might not have seen, it's quite small, 623 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:01.530 but there are many of them if you look very closely. 624 00:25:01.530 --> 00:25:04.530 And this coral is a small red branch branching coral 625 00:25:04.530 --> 00:25:06.727 that I think is Scleracis. 626 00:25:06.727 --> 00:25:09.042 Now, Scleracis though, can be pretty tough 627 00:25:09.042 --> 00:25:11.372 to tell from some other small red corals. 628 00:25:11.372 --> 00:25:13.590 Sometimes color isn't the best way 629 00:25:13.590 --> 00:25:15.580 to tell coral species apart. 630 00:25:15.580 --> 00:25:18.487 And I wouldn't really know unless I actually took a sample 631 00:25:18.487 --> 00:25:20.423 of this coral and we brought it up on the deck 632 00:25:20.423 --> 00:25:22.080 and took a look. 633 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:24.194 And then the last one here is some 634 00:25:24.194 --> 00:25:25.890 unidentified soft coral fan. 635 00:25:25.890 --> 00:25:28.740 So just in my experience alone, I'm not super familiar 636 00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:31.257 with this coral, so I would definitely be taking 637 00:25:31.257 --> 00:25:34.290 this screenshot here and sending it to someone else 638 00:25:34.290 --> 00:25:37.290 who has the expertise to tell me what I might be looking at. 639 00:25:37.290 --> 00:25:39.870 Now the problem with that is it's not always possible 640 00:25:39.870 --> 00:25:42.900 to identify corals just from pictures alone. 641 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:45.900 So these corals have been described by scientists 642 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.357 in museums, for decades and millennia, 643 00:25:48.357 --> 00:25:50.768 who have actually had them in their hand 644 00:25:50.768 --> 00:25:52.380 and taken a look at them. 645 00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:54.660 And so sometimes what you need to do is you need 646 00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:56.643 to take an actual sample of the coral 647 00:25:56.643 --> 00:25:59.460 and either give it to a museum or sequence its genetics. 648 00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:02.032 And so now what I'm gonna talk to you about is how, 649 00:26:02.032 --> 00:26:04.478 in addition to actually looking at pictures 650 00:26:04.478 --> 00:26:07.080 and video, I am trying to identify corals not 651 00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:09.308 by taking a sample, but actually by taking a sample 652 00:26:09.308 --> 00:26:12.312 of the water that they live in or the coral forensics 653 00:26:12.312 --> 00:26:13.923 that I alluded to earlier. 654 00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:19.440 And so this process is called collecting environmental DNA 655 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.490 or sequencing environmental DNA to identify species. 656 00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:25.290 So this illustration here was done 657 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:28.110 by another lab member, my friend Nicole. 658 00:26:28.110 --> 00:26:30.510 And Nicole is kind of drawn two corals for us. 659 00:26:30.510 --> 00:26:33.330 So the first one is this red, fluffy coral. 660 00:26:33.330 --> 00:26:35.826 Sometimes we call it a mushroom coral. 661 00:26:35.826 --> 00:26:38.167 And this other one, not necessarily drawn 662 00:26:38.167 --> 00:26:40.836 to scale though, is a much larger bamboo fan. 663 00:26:40.836 --> 00:26:43.050 I kind of sized these just so you could make 664 00:26:43.050 --> 00:26:44.700 out the differences between the two. 665 00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:46.110 In reality, this one's pretty small 666 00:26:46.110 --> 00:26:48.030 and this one's actually rather large. 667 00:26:48.030 --> 00:26:49.710 Now these corals are living in the deep sea 668 00:26:49.710 --> 00:26:51.090 and they're very happy. 669 00:26:51.090 --> 00:26:53.190 They might be feeding on passing plankton 670 00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:54.960 like I talked about earlier. 671 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.690 They might be just kind of making a living, 672 00:26:57.690 --> 00:26:59.130 maybe even reproducing, 673 00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:02.280 so releasing gametes, like eggs, into the environment. 674 00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:04.110 And as they do this and live 675 00:27:04.110 --> 00:27:06.360 in the ocean, they're gonna be releasing traces 676 00:27:06.360 --> 00:27:08.493 of genetic material into the environment. 677 00:27:09.395 --> 00:27:12.390 And so what this looks like is that if you have this pink 678 00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:14.640 or red coral here, it might be releasing 679 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.402 its unique genetic DNA into the environment. 680 00:27:18.402 --> 00:27:20.280 And then this white coral fan is 681 00:27:20.280 --> 00:27:24.238 also releasing its unique DNA into the environment too. 682 00:27:24.238 --> 00:27:27.030 And in these habitats, which in the open ocean are 683 00:27:27.030 --> 00:27:29.370 really dynamic and constantly changing, 684 00:27:29.370 --> 00:27:30.810 the ocean currents are coming in 685 00:27:30.810 --> 00:27:32.310 and they're sweeping up this DNA 686 00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:34.170 that the corals might be releasing. 687 00:27:34.170 --> 00:27:37.050 Some of that DNA might be transported some distance, 688 00:27:37.050 --> 00:27:39.729 and some of that DNA might also be recirculated 689 00:27:39.729 --> 00:27:41.760 into the water above these corals. 690 00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:46.110 And so what I can do, as a geneticist, is I can go in 691 00:27:46.110 --> 00:27:48.030 and try and take a sample of this water 692 00:27:48.030 --> 00:27:50.040 and actually sequence the DNA 693 00:27:50.040 --> 00:27:51.360 that might be in the environment 694 00:27:51.360 --> 00:27:54.207 around these corals, to identify them. 695 00:27:54.207 --> 00:27:56.640 And when we do this, what we'd find out is 696 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.130 that the DNA from these different coral species 697 00:27:59.130 --> 00:28:01.350 likely looks very different. 698 00:28:01.350 --> 00:28:03.240 So if you're not familiar with DNA, 699 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.910 or it's been a little while since you took a biology class 700 00:28:05.910 --> 00:28:07.320 where you talked about it, 701 00:28:07.320 --> 00:28:11.160 DNA can be kind of summarized into a four letter code. 702 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.390 And that four letter code consists of A, C, G, and T. 703 00:28:15.390 --> 00:28:18.210 And those are different molecules that make up the DNA. 704 00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:19.742 And so each animal on earth, 705 00:28:19.742 --> 00:28:23.460 or each plant, has its own unique sequence of ACGs 706 00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:26.793 and Ts that can help identify that animal. 707 00:28:26.793 --> 00:28:29.763 And so on the top here is this pink bushy coral. 708 00:28:29.763 --> 00:28:32.728 And as you can see, the sequence that I've assigned 709 00:28:32.728 --> 00:28:36.660 to this coral, just for the sake of the talk, is AAC 710 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:39.060 and then a space which I'll explain in a second, 711 00:28:39.060 --> 00:28:41.370 and then TTTGA. 712 00:28:41.370 --> 00:28:45.148 Now this other coral, the white coral fan, we might be able 713 00:28:45.148 --> 00:28:47.040 to sequence its DNA too. 714 00:28:47.040 --> 00:28:49.920 And using some computer algorithms and programs, 715 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.470 we can kind of line the two sequences up 716 00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:53.880 between the two species. 717 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.080 And what you'll notice is that 718 00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:57.960 at this position, the sequence for this coral is different. 719 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.810 So instead of the sequence being a AAC space 720 00:29:00.810 --> 00:29:05.607 and then TTTGA, the white coral fan sequence is AGCATTTGA. 721 00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:10.200 And so what I can do is if I can actually grab a sample 722 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.930 of the water here and sequence the DNA within 723 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:16.080 that sample, that will help me identify these species. 724 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:17.730 And that will be particularly helpful 725 00:29:17.730 --> 00:29:18.990 for identifying species 726 00:29:18.990 --> 00:29:22.443 that we can't distinguish easily just from pictures alone. 727 00:29:24.983 --> 00:29:27.150 So now the question becomes, well, 728 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:31.058 how do we actually capture that environmental DNA? 729 00:29:31.058 --> 00:29:33.930 And while the laboratory work that I won't get too 730 00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:36.900 into can be quite complicated, it's rather routine 731 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:38.640 if you're a molecular biologist 732 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.010 and collecting water is essentially collecting water. 733 00:29:41.010 --> 00:29:44.450 But we get to use some pretty fancy tools to do it. 734 00:29:44.450 --> 00:29:46.837 So the first way we can collect water 735 00:29:46.837 --> 00:29:50.910 in the deep ocean is we can use what's called a CTD rosette. 736 00:29:50.910 --> 00:29:54.000 And this rosette is called a CTD, usually, 737 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.860 because it usually also has a sensor 738 00:29:55.860 --> 00:29:58.890 that measures conductivity, temperature, and depth. 739 00:29:58.890 --> 00:30:01.770 And all of these bottles here we call Niskin bottles, 740 00:30:01.770 --> 00:30:03.450 but they're essentially just water bottles 741 00:30:03.450 --> 00:30:06.480 that can capture water wherever the CTD is. 742 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.520 And so how this actually works in practice is 743 00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:10.800 that it's connected to the ship in a winch 744 00:30:10.800 --> 00:30:12.900 on the ship via a cable. 745 00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.290 We lower the CTD over the side of the ship and we bring it 746 00:30:16.290 --> 00:30:18.510 down to the depth that we want to sample at. 747 00:30:18.510 --> 00:30:20.430 We get a live stream of the condition, 748 00:30:20.430 --> 00:30:22.380 so we'll know the conductivity and the temperature 749 00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:25.710 and the depth live when we have the CTD over the side, 750 00:30:25.710 --> 00:30:28.164 and we can tell maybe bottles 1, 2, and 3 751 00:30:28.164 --> 00:30:29.973 to close at any particular depth. 752 00:30:29.973 --> 00:30:32.310 And what they're doing is they're actually capturing 753 00:30:32.310 --> 00:30:35.640 the water that is found there because they go down open 754 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.160 and they snap shut with both of these caps on the bottom 755 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.030 and the top enclosing the water that's there. 756 00:30:41.030 --> 00:30:44.130 And so what I can do then is I can pull this CTD rosette 757 00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:47.100 back up onto the ship. I can go ahead and take the water 758 00:30:47.100 --> 00:30:49.800 outta the bottom here, and I can actually go ahead back 759 00:30:49.800 --> 00:30:53.100 to the lab after the expedition is over and sequence the DNA 760 00:30:53.100 --> 00:30:55.650 that might have been captured in that water sample. 761 00:30:56.985 --> 00:31:00.007 The next way I've used these bottles is actually using 762 00:31:00.007 --> 00:31:02.610 an ROV or the remotely operated vehicle. 763 00:31:02.610 --> 00:31:04.800 And so this is a picture of the Global Explorer, 764 00:31:04.800 --> 00:31:07.440 the ROV I showed you earlier, and there are a number 765 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.270 of different water sampling bottles up 766 00:31:09.270 --> 00:31:11.937 and down the sides here. So we have six here. 767 00:31:11.937 --> 00:31:14.520 And what we can do when we attach these bottles 768 00:31:14.520 --> 00:31:17.100 to an ROV is we can actually fly around 769 00:31:17.100 --> 00:31:19.032 and take video of the ecosystems 770 00:31:19.032 --> 00:31:21.033 and decide when exactly we want 771 00:31:21.033 --> 00:31:24.040 to capture water samples for eDNA. 772 00:31:24.040 --> 00:31:26.805 So maybe I'm in a place like the image I just showed you 773 00:31:26.805 --> 00:31:28.860 and there's a lot of coral species around 774 00:31:28.860 --> 00:31:30.447 and I wanna know more about them. 775 00:31:30.447 --> 00:31:33.027 I wanna be able to more confidently identify them. 776 00:31:33.027 --> 00:31:34.980 And one of the ways in which I can do that is 777 00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:37.080 to collect their DNA from the water. 778 00:31:37.080 --> 00:31:39.720 So what I can do is I can tell the ROV pilot, 779 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.470 "Hey, could you please close bottles 1, 2, and 3," 780 00:31:43.470 --> 00:31:45.810 and those bottles can be closed by the ROV. 781 00:31:45.810 --> 00:31:48.068 And then when the ROV comes up at the end 782 00:31:48.068 --> 00:31:50.538 of the dive, I can actually go ahead and take samples 783 00:31:50.538 --> 00:31:52.440 and sequence environmental DNA. 784 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.270 And then later on in the dive, maybe we're 785 00:31:54.270 --> 00:31:56.220 in a different place and I see five 786 00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:57.630 or six other coral species 787 00:31:57.630 --> 00:31:59.460 that I haven't been observing yet. 788 00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:02.092 I can say, "This is a great place to get some more DNA. 789 00:32:02.092 --> 00:32:04.500 So let's close some bottles," and we'll close 790 00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:05.635 bottles 4, 5, and 6. 791 00:32:05.635 --> 00:32:07.020 And again, once the ROV comes up, 792 00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:09.630 then I have six nice samples taken at depth. 793 00:32:09.630 --> 00:32:11.880 I also have a picture of the corals that were there. 794 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.360 And so in this way I can get more information about 795 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:17.190 the corals that are living there based off the 796 00:32:17.190 --> 00:32:19.902 genetic material they've shed into the water. 797 00:32:19.902 --> 00:32:22.497 And now I'm gonna talk to you about how this actually works 798 00:32:22.497 --> 00:32:24.750 and some data that I've collected 799 00:32:24.750 --> 00:32:26.393 as I develop these methods. 800 00:32:26.393 --> 00:32:28.593 And to do that, I'm gonna take you to two places 801 00:32:28.593 --> 00:32:31.560 in the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 802 00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:33.240 The first is Stetson Bank. 803 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:37.350 So Stetson Bank is in the top northwest here of this map. 804 00:32:37.350 --> 00:32:40.740 And this is a bank that is on the continental shelf. 805 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:43.110 So the continental shelf is this part of the ocean 806 00:32:43.110 --> 00:32:45.060 that's colored a little lighter here, 807 00:32:45.060 --> 00:32:46.350 and that's a little bit shallower. 808 00:32:46.350 --> 00:32:48.390 And then you can see there's a really steep slope 809 00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:50.400 as it gets deeper. 810 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:51.233 In some parts 811 00:32:51.233 --> 00:32:53.700 of the world, this continental shelf only extends 812 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:56.970 for a short distance and then it drops off really deeply. 813 00:32:56.970 --> 00:32:58.500 In the Gulf of Mexico, there's a pretty 814 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:00.120 extensive continental shelf 815 00:33:00.120 --> 00:33:01.890 and then some really interesting habitat 816 00:33:01.890 --> 00:33:04.050 along this large continental slope. 817 00:33:04.050 --> 00:33:05.850 But Stetson is right at the top here, 818 00:33:05.850 --> 00:33:08.130 and we're gonna go take a look at what it looks like 819 00:33:08.130 --> 00:33:10.983 at a deep coral habitat near Stetson Bank. 820 00:33:11.997 --> 00:33:13.920 And so this is what it looks like. 821 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.320 And this picture is a little blurry by design 822 00:33:16.320 --> 00:33:18.532 because that's actually what it looks like 823 00:33:18.532 --> 00:33:20.970 at Stetson Bank at a depth of around 60 meters. 824 00:33:20.970 --> 00:33:23.520 And so here you're seeing a few different corals, 825 00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:25.140 but the turbidity is really high. 826 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:26.850 And so that means there are just more particles 827 00:33:26.850 --> 00:33:28.710 in the water, which might be a function 828 00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:30.960 of being at this depth near Stetson 829 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.082 and also being a little bit deeper, 830 00:33:33.082 --> 00:33:35.790 or excuse me, also being a little bit further up 831 00:33:35.790 --> 00:33:37.408 on the continental shelf. 832 00:33:37.408 --> 00:33:38.885 And so in this picture, 833 00:33:38.885 --> 00:33:40.980 there are a few different coral species. 834 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.170 And I'm gonna point out a few that I've counted 835 00:33:43.170 --> 00:33:46.200 by actually looking at video taken at Stetson Bank. 836 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.024 One of them is called Stichopathes, 837 00:33:48.024 --> 00:33:50.040 and this is the most abundant coral. 838 00:33:50.040 --> 00:33:52.080 That one is in the top right over here. 839 00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:54.060 If you can see my laser pointer, 840 00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:58.230 it's this big curled wire coral, we call it. 841 00:33:58.230 --> 00:34:00.270 The next one is Thesea nivea. 842 00:34:00.270 --> 00:34:03.660 So this is this purple soft coral fan that's in the middle. 843 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:05.910 This one can be really common as well. 844 00:34:05.910 --> 00:34:08.870 And in the back if you can make it out, it's called Muricea. 845 00:34:08.870 --> 00:34:10.470 And Muricea can be a really large coral 846 00:34:10.470 --> 00:34:14.092 that exists in very large numbers at some places. 847 00:34:14.092 --> 00:34:16.170 And then this other one here is one 848 00:34:16.170 --> 00:34:18.330 that we're not quite sure exactly what it is. 849 00:34:18.330 --> 00:34:21.240 So we've taken a sample of it and we've sequenced its DNA, 850 00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:22.347 but we're not entirely sure what it is. 851 00:34:22.347 --> 00:34:24.180 And for now we call it the spongey coral. 852 00:34:24.180 --> 00:34:26.760 'Cause in a way it kind of resembles a sponge. 853 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.877 And now I wanna show you what happened when I took some 854 00:34:29.877 --> 00:34:32.788 water samples here and then tried to sequence the DNA 855 00:34:32.788 --> 00:34:34.616 of these corals in the sample. 856 00:34:36.412 --> 00:34:37.860 So first what I found is 857 00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:40.080 that I got a sequence from Muricea pendula, 858 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:42.630 and how I know this is that I've also taken some sequences 859 00:34:42.630 --> 00:34:45.360 that are publicly available that have been collected 860 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.180 by museums or other researchers, and I matched it 861 00:34:48.180 --> 00:34:50.670 to the sequence that I found in the water sample. 862 00:34:50.670 --> 00:34:52.290 And so I can with high confidence, say 863 00:34:52.290 --> 00:34:55.230 that I'm detecting this coral not only by seeing it, 864 00:34:55.230 --> 00:34:57.756 but also by capturing the water around it. 865 00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:02.910 The next one is Thesea nivea. I also got a sequence from. 866 00:35:02.910 --> 00:35:06.342 And so this sequence at the location I've decided 867 00:35:06.342 --> 00:35:09.570 to show you here, which is only five different nucleotide 868 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:12.120 letters, is different than Muricea pendula. 869 00:35:12.120 --> 00:35:14.970 So that tells me not only that these species are different 870 00:35:14.970 --> 00:35:18.000 from each other, but having that database of all corals 871 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.408 that have been sequenced 872 00:35:19.408 --> 00:35:21.450 to date helps me identify it pretty confident. 873 00:35:21.450 --> 00:35:23.520 The same can be said for Stichopathes. 874 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:24.780 And so this makes sense. 875 00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:26.580 These are the three most abundant corals 876 00:35:26.580 --> 00:35:29.460 that are found at this habitat, and I can find their DNA 877 00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:33.180 in the water, now the last one is a little problematic. 878 00:35:33.180 --> 00:35:34.590 And so this spongey coral here, 879 00:35:34.590 --> 00:35:36.690 I actually did not detect any DNA 880 00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:40.770 that I can confidently assign belongs to that coral. 881 00:35:40.770 --> 00:35:44.790 And so what this points out is that the kind of utility, 882 00:35:44.790 --> 00:35:46.230 if you will, of using something 883 00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:49.170 like eDNA sequencing might depend on the abundance 884 00:35:49.170 --> 00:35:50.003 of the corals. 885 00:35:50.003 --> 00:35:52.710 So things that might be at really low abundance might not be 886 00:35:52.710 --> 00:35:55.632 as easily detectable when you just take a water sample 887 00:35:55.632 --> 00:35:57.761 and sequence eDNA. 888 00:35:57.761 --> 00:35:59.611 However, what I hope you see 889 00:35:59.611 --> 00:36:01.320 at the next place I'm gonna take you is that 890 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.039 that can change depending on where you are. 891 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.090 And so now we're gonna go to Bright Bank. 892 00:36:06.090 --> 00:36:08.520 And so Bright Bank is a place that's kind of near 893 00:36:08.520 --> 00:36:09.780 and dear to my heart at this point 894 00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:11.730 because I've done a lot of research there 895 00:36:11.730 --> 00:36:13.980 and I feel like I've gotten to know it pretty well. 896 00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:16.980 And Bright Bank is further out on the continental shelf, 897 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:18.485 so it's right out here. 898 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.660 And the habitats that we study at Bright Bank are 899 00:36:21.660 --> 00:36:23.623 for the most part a little bit deeper 900 00:36:23.623 --> 00:36:25.463 than those at Stetson Bank. 901 00:36:27.022 --> 00:36:28.690 So here we go to Bright. 902 00:36:28.690 --> 00:36:31.618 And what I want you to see about this graph here is 903 00:36:31.618 --> 00:36:34.417 that there are a number of different coral species 904 00:36:34.417 --> 00:36:37.560 at Bright, more so than I see in the video at Stetson Bank. 905 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:39.310 That doesn't necessarily mean that there are 906 00:36:39.310 --> 00:36:41.898 overall more species at Bright than Stetson. 907 00:36:41.898 --> 00:36:43.470 We can't say that for certainty, 908 00:36:43.470 --> 00:36:45.585 but at least in the video that I've analyzed 909 00:36:45.585 --> 00:36:48.460 from the ROV dives that I've been a part of, 910 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:50.782 I do tend to see more species here. 911 00:36:50.782 --> 00:36:53.400 And so now I'm gonna give you an idea of which 912 00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.460 of those species I can detect with environmental DNA. 913 00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:59.610 So the first one that I detect is this Ellisella coral. 914 00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:00.780 So this is a cool coral. 915 00:37:00.780 --> 00:37:02.400 It's pretty similar to the one I showed you 916 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.620 in a previous slide, if you remember, except 917 00:37:04.620 --> 00:37:06.360 that this one branches a little differently. 918 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.622 It's a little more curvy 919 00:37:07.622 --> 00:37:10.470 in some odd ways, which is pretty neat. 920 00:37:10.470 --> 00:37:13.140 The next one I also detected is indeed Stichopathes. 921 00:37:13.140 --> 00:37:15.360 So I did detect this one, I'm just not showing it to you 922 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.970 because that would be a lot of pictures on the screen, 923 00:37:17.970 --> 00:37:20.040 but Stichopathes is also very abundant 924 00:37:20.040 --> 00:37:22.487 and I detect it in the DNA. 925 00:37:22.487 --> 00:37:24.530 The next one I'm gonna show you is Nicella. 926 00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:26.130 So this is a neat little coral. 927 00:37:26.130 --> 00:37:28.020 So this is actually closely related 928 00:37:28.020 --> 00:37:30.270 to this Ellisella, believe it or not, except 929 00:37:30.270 --> 00:37:31.933 that it branches very differently. 930 00:37:31.933 --> 00:37:34.170 So while it's a similar color, it branches 931 00:37:34.170 --> 00:37:37.593 in a very different way and forms these short fans. 932 00:37:37.593 --> 00:37:40.293 And as you can see, I not only obtained a sequence 933 00:37:40.293 --> 00:37:43.888 for Ellisella and Stichopathes, but also for Nicella. 934 00:37:44.875 --> 00:37:47.130 And then the last one I'm gonna point out 935 00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:49.950 to you in the imagery is this Antipathes atlantica. 936 00:37:49.950 --> 00:37:52.530 And I've chosen to show you a sequence that has a lot 937 00:37:52.530 --> 00:37:54.990 of spaces missing because I wanna point out 938 00:37:54.990 --> 00:37:58.440 that this is a black coral, and as a result, its sequence 939 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.420 at this position is very different 940 00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:02.250 than Ellisella or Nicella. 941 00:38:02.250 --> 00:38:04.650 What you're seeing here is that the algorithm I've used 942 00:38:04.650 --> 00:38:07.590 has taken a much longer sequence of DNA, 943 00:38:07.590 --> 00:38:09.600 of which these six letters are a part of, 944 00:38:09.600 --> 00:38:10.920 and mapped them together so 945 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.960 that you can compare across species. 946 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.751 And what the algorithm found is that 947 00:38:14.751 --> 00:38:18.000 for Antipathes atlantica, while there might be some regions 948 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.340 of that longer sequence I'm not showing you, 949 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:22.567 that match up perfectly with Ellisella. 950 00:38:22.567 --> 00:38:24.930 There's a big space missing here. 951 00:38:24.930 --> 00:38:27.900 And so these differences in the DNA code reflect 952 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:31.440 how evolutionarily different these coral species are, 953 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.050 where Antipathes atlantica is a much different type 954 00:38:34.050 --> 00:38:37.260 of coral, a black coral, then these two closely related 955 00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:39.845 species which are soft corals. 956 00:38:39.845 --> 00:38:41.850 And now what I wanna point out is 957 00:38:41.850 --> 00:38:45.120 that it's not always the case that we see more species 958 00:38:45.120 --> 00:38:48.330 or corals in video than we detect in their DNA. 959 00:38:48.330 --> 00:38:51.210 And Bright Bank is a good example of that. 960 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:53.580 So there's one species here that I'm gonna point out, 961 00:38:53.580 --> 00:38:57.210 among a few, that I didn't see in the video, 962 00:38:57.210 --> 00:38:58.830 but I detect its DNA, 963 00:38:58.830 --> 00:39:01.590 and this is Muricea pendula, the coral I showed you 964 00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:03.922 on the last slide, that in certain places 965 00:39:03.922 --> 00:39:06.968 can form really high density coral gardens, 966 00:39:06.968 --> 00:39:09.437 as we call them. 967 00:39:09.437 --> 00:39:11.010 And so, what I found is 968 00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:14.130 that while I can detect Muricea pendula, I'm not seeing it 969 00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:15.263 in the video. 970 00:39:15.263 --> 00:39:17.296 And so this begs the question, where did 971 00:39:17.296 --> 00:39:19.230 that DNA sequence come from? 972 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:20.937 So what can we do to go out 973 00:39:20.937 --> 00:39:23.515 and actually find Muricea pendula to confirm 974 00:39:23.515 --> 00:39:25.590 that it is present at Bright Bank? 975 00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:27.750 Well, the first answer is pretty straightforward. 976 00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:29.880 It's that when you're doing an ROV dive, 977 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.010 like if you were going for a scuba dive 978 00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:33.540 or a snorkel, you're not able 979 00:39:33.540 --> 00:39:35.400 to see everything around you, right? 980 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.470 There's a certain limit to what you can see, 981 00:39:37.470 --> 00:39:40.410 and you're probably moving in maybe a systematic way to try 982 00:39:40.410 --> 00:39:43.350 and accurately quantify the different types of animals 983 00:39:43.350 --> 00:39:45.540 that live in a certain place. 984 00:39:45.540 --> 00:39:48.480 And so perhaps it's as simple as we didn't turn a corner 985 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.540 and take a look and find a ton of Muricea pendula. 986 00:39:51.540 --> 00:39:55.140 The other answer, or possible answer, to this question is 987 00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:57.810 that DNA could be coming from somewhere far away. 988 00:39:57.810 --> 00:40:00.900 So based on my experience annotating a lot of video 989 00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:04.080 and counting the corals that exist at Bright Bank, I know 990 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:05.880 that while there's not really a lot 991 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.540 of Muricea here exactly where this video is collected, 992 00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:12.300 I have other videos that are deeper off of the side 993 00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:15.301 of Bright Bank where there is tons of Muricea. 994 00:40:15.301 --> 00:40:18.330 And so part of my PhD research, that I'm not gonna go 995 00:40:18.330 --> 00:40:21.720 into depth about today, is actually understanding how large 996 00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:24.990 amounts of DNA from distant places might be transported. 997 00:40:24.990 --> 00:40:27.480 And so that might make this environmental DNA data 998 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.280 a little trickier to interpret, 999 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.800 but it also makes the technique more powerful 1000 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.170 because in a way we can now detect corals 1001 00:40:34.170 --> 00:40:35.760 that we might not be able to see. 1002 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.400 And while we might not know exactly where they could be, 1003 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.800 this could, you know, point us towards places 1004 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.570 that require further exploration 1005 00:40:42.570 --> 00:40:46.020 to actually characterize exactly how many corals are there. 1006 00:40:46.020 --> 00:40:47.670 And so with that, I'm just gonna summarize 1007 00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:50.100 what I've talked with you about today. 1008 00:40:50.100 --> 00:40:52.950 And my takeaway message is that coral habitats 1009 00:40:52.950 --> 00:40:54.990 in the deep ocean are just really awesome. 1010 00:40:54.990 --> 00:40:58.080 They've kind of fascinated me and written my life story 1011 00:40:58.080 --> 00:40:59.640 for the past five years. 1012 00:40:59.640 --> 00:41:00.993 So I'm really excited 1013 00:41:00.993 --> 00:41:02.640 to share some things about them with you. 1014 00:41:02.640 --> 00:41:04.860 And as far as my research goes, what I'm finding is 1015 00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:06.900 that yeah, we can use coral forensics 1016 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:09.090 or actually sequencing the genetic traces of corals 1017 00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:11.310 in water to detect corals. 1018 00:41:11.310 --> 00:41:12.720 And in some cases it might tell us 1019 00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:14.670 a little bit more about the environment 1020 00:41:14.670 --> 00:41:19.440 than one single ROV video might might be able to. 1021 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:20.700 And so the takeaway is we need 1022 00:41:20.700 --> 00:41:22.560 to do more deep sea exploration. 1023 00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:24.750 The Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary is 1024 00:41:24.750 --> 00:41:26.310 a spectacular place to do that 1025 00:41:26.310 --> 00:41:27.870 because there are so many species, 1026 00:41:27.870 --> 00:41:29.610 and I'm just really excited to be able to do this 1027 00:41:29.610 --> 00:41:30.900 for a living and to continue 1028 00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:34.332 to do this as I finish up my PhD. 1029 00:41:34.332 --> 00:41:37.129 And so with that, I'm just gonna acknowledge some people. 1030 00:41:37.129 --> 00:41:38.303 First of all, I'd like 1031 00:41:38.303 --> 00:41:40.807 to acknowledge the sanctuary specifically Kelly, 1032 00:41:40.807 --> 00:41:41.820 for having me. 1033 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:43.710 I'd also like to acknowledge my lab. 1034 00:41:43.710 --> 00:41:46.710 So Dr. Santiago Herrera's Lab, these other folks, 1035 00:41:46.710 --> 00:41:48.450 Sam Vohsen, Nicole Pittoors, 1036 00:41:48.450 --> 00:41:50.370 and Penny Demetriades were a big part 1037 00:41:50.370 --> 00:41:51.780 of our lab's efforts 1038 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:54.390 on the cruise where I showed you all these pictures. 1039 00:41:54.390 --> 00:41:56.010 In addition, I'd like to thank the captain 1040 00:41:56.010 --> 00:41:59.040 and the crews of the Research Vessel MANTA, as well 1041 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:00.510 as the Research Vessel POINT SUR, 1042 00:42:00.510 --> 00:42:02.100 that are both operated out of the Gulf, 1043 00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:04.980 and I've been a part, I've been fortunate to sail on 1044 00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:07.080 and actually do some of this research. 1045 00:42:07.080 --> 00:42:08.230 And then I'd also like 1046 00:42:08.230 --> 00:42:10.020 to thank the Global Explorer ROV team. 1047 00:42:10.020 --> 00:42:11.310 So if they put us down there 1048 00:42:11.310 --> 00:42:12.810 with an ROV, we wouldn't be producing 1049 00:42:12.810 --> 00:42:14.250 too much useful information. 1050 00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:17.280 These folks actually make things work, they fly the robot 1051 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.580 around and take these really fantastic pictures for us. 1052 00:42:20.580 --> 00:42:22.830 And then lastly, I'd like to thank our funding sources 1053 00:42:22.830 --> 00:42:25.830 that have funded the research that's a part of my PhD. 1054 00:42:25.830 --> 00:42:28.740 So first the NOAA Office of Exploration, as well 1055 00:42:28.740 --> 00:42:30.780 as some other offices at NOAA. 1056 00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:34.170 And I'd just like to thank you all for tuning in today 1057 00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:36.900 and hearing my talk, and I'm really excited to chat 1058 00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:38.460 with you more about my research 1059 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:41.190 and whatever you might've found interesting 1060 00:42:41.190 --> 00:42:42.865 about what I said today. 1061 00:42:43.812 --> 00:42:46.110 Thank you, Luke. That was fantastic. 1062 00:42:46.110 --> 00:42:47.903 Great explanations about 1063 00:42:47.903 --> 00:42:50.730 how all this complicated stuff works. 1064 00:42:50.730 --> 00:42:53.010 You really simplified it very nicely. 1065 00:42:53.010 --> 00:42:56.878 So folks, if you do have questions for Luke, now is the time 1066 00:42:56.878 --> 00:42:59.400 to put them into the question box over there 1067 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.000 in the control panel, and we will ask him for you. 1068 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.950 So you're not gonna be able to unmute yourself 1069 00:43:04.950 --> 00:43:07.080 and ask the questions out loud, but type them 1070 00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:10.320 into the question box and then we will start sharing them 1071 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.570 with Luke and see how many we can get answered 1072 00:43:12.570 --> 00:43:14.880 before we run out of time. 1073 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.863 So Luke, one of the questions, 1074 00:43:15.863 --> 00:43:17.880 We've been answering some of them 1075 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.460 behind the scenes a little bit where we had the knowledge, 1076 00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:21.780 but one of them that I would like to clarify 1077 00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:24.360 for everyone is, what is the size space you're looking 1078 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.910 at when you see one of those pictures? 1079 00:43:25.910 --> 00:43:27.960 Is it a matter of feet or inches you're looking at? 1080 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:29.220 Yeah, no, that's a great question. 1081 00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:31.140 And that's something 1082 00:43:31.140 --> 00:43:33.510 that's actually not very apparent even when you've done this 1083 00:43:33.510 --> 00:43:35.880 for a long time because you're looking at things 1084 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.470 in two dimensions, it's really hard 1085 00:43:37.470 --> 00:43:39.520 to give yourself a sense of scale. 1086 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:41.172 You might have noticed it in the picture, 1087 00:43:41.172 --> 00:43:43.290 I think there might have been some lasers on. 1088 00:43:43.290 --> 00:43:45.450 But what we do is we take green lasers 1089 00:43:45.450 --> 00:43:48.120 and actually shine them 10 centimeters apart 1090 00:43:48.120 --> 00:43:51.030 at the sea floor to kind of give us a sense of scale. 1091 00:43:51.030 --> 00:43:53.430 But what you're looking at and least in some 1092 00:43:53.430 --> 00:43:55.800 of the pictures is definitely feet. 1093 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.110 So out to maybe 20 feet. 1094 00:43:58.110 --> 00:44:00.390 The picture with the big Plumapathes coral, 1095 00:44:00.390 --> 00:44:03.150 that's certainly a radius of, you know, 20 feet or so. 1096 00:44:03.150 --> 00:44:04.500 You can see pretty far. 1097 00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.570 But in that zoomed in picture where I showed you five 1098 00:44:06.570 --> 00:44:09.150 or six different corals, that's really small. 1099 00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:12.270 So that's probably, yeah, a couple of feet across. 1100 00:44:12.270 --> 00:44:14.250 Honestly, that's a pretty zoomed in picture. 1101 00:44:14.250 --> 00:44:15.760 So there are a lot of corals 1102 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.046 that you really need to zoom in to see. 1103 00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:23.077 Great, we also use those lasers a lot, 1104 00:44:23.077 --> 00:44:24.865 but if there's no coral for them 1105 00:44:24.865 --> 00:44:27.060 to hit, then you have the lasers just shoot off 1106 00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:29.010 into space and you don't measure anything. 1107 00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:31.586 I've done that. (laughs) Got it. 1108 00:44:31.586 --> 00:44:35.940 Alright, so question, getting into the weeds here. 1109 00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:40.427 First off the bat, do you have access to all the PCR primers 1110 00:44:40.427 --> 00:44:43.080 for species you are interested in? 1111 00:44:43.080 --> 00:44:46.950 And are new unanticipated species primers becoming available 1112 00:44:46.950 --> 00:44:48.180 over time? 1113 00:44:48.180 --> 00:44:50.070 Yeah, that's an awesome question. 1114 00:44:50.070 --> 00:44:52.088 I'm actually the person to ask, (chuckles) 1115 00:44:52.088 --> 00:44:53.313 so that's fantastic. 1116 00:44:53.313 --> 00:44:55.410 Could you explain the terminology please, 1117 00:44:55.410 --> 00:44:57.739 because it's talking to me. (laughs) 1118 00:44:57.739 --> 00:44:58.572 Good point. 1119 00:44:58.572 --> 00:44:59.405 Yeah, I almost jumped right 1120 00:44:59.405 --> 00:45:01.350 into the weeds without (chuckles) explaining it there. 1121 00:45:01.350 --> 00:45:06.120 So PCR first of all is it's a type of reaction 1122 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:09.960 that we can do in the lab that will take a sample of DNA 1123 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.610 and amplify or enrich that sample 1124 00:45:14.610 --> 00:45:17.160 for a certain number of species in that sample. 1125 00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:19.050 So for instance, if I have a sample 1126 00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:21.870 of water, I'm capturing DNA from every organism 1127 00:45:21.870 --> 00:45:23.730 that might be swimming in that environment. 1128 00:45:23.730 --> 00:45:26.460 So that doesn't only include corals that might include fish, 1129 00:45:26.460 --> 00:45:29.460 of course, it might include other marine invertebrates. 1130 00:45:29.460 --> 00:45:33.060 And so what I wanna do is I wanna actually take the DNA 1131 00:45:33.060 --> 00:45:36.810 from corals and basically copy it many, many, 1132 00:45:36.810 --> 00:45:37.800 many, many times. 1133 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:39.630 And what a PCR does is exactly 1134 00:45:39.630 --> 00:45:42.720 that, it'll just copy it exponentially until you end up 1135 00:45:42.720 --> 00:45:45.690 with a sample that is full of coral DNA. 1136 00:45:45.690 --> 00:45:47.370 And that's what I'll actually send out 1137 00:45:47.370 --> 00:45:50.493 to the sequencing facility to sequence for me. 1138 00:45:51.870 --> 00:45:55.710 Now to actually amplify the species you're interested in. 1139 00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:57.840 What you need are PCR primers 1140 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.840 and these primers are just sequences 1141 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.870 that match only to the species you are interested in. 1142 00:46:03.870 --> 00:46:07.680 Now, some primers have been developed to amplify 1143 00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:11.010 or enrich for sequences from different organisms. 1144 00:46:11.010 --> 00:46:12.630 Like there are some that do a really good job 1145 00:46:12.630 --> 00:46:15.420 for all marine animals, for instance, there are some 1146 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.823 that are really well established for fish. 1147 00:46:18.870 --> 00:46:21.330 And so as this technology becomes more 1148 00:46:21.330 --> 00:46:24.990 and more accessible, mainly because it's becoming cheaper, 1149 00:46:24.990 --> 00:46:27.090 and more and more labs get involved, more 1150 00:46:27.090 --> 00:46:29.580 and more PCR primers are being developed. 1151 00:46:29.580 --> 00:46:32.340 And so actually a big part of my PhD research 1152 00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:34.530 and what you don't see that's behind the scenes, 1153 00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:35.700 at least in this talk, is 1154 00:46:35.700 --> 00:46:38.850 that I have developed PCR primers specifically 1155 00:46:38.850 --> 00:46:41.490 for black corals and soft coral fans. 1156 00:46:41.490 --> 00:46:44.100 And I'm actually using those to get the data 1157 00:46:44.100 --> 00:46:45.900 that I shared with you today. 1158 00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:49.620 And so I guess what I would say to anyone who's interested 1159 00:46:49.620 --> 00:46:51.810 in doing this is that more 1160 00:46:51.810 --> 00:46:55.020 and more PCR primers will definitely come online. 1161 00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:59.070 It's a tricky business to actually get it to work perfectly, 1162 00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:01.020 but what I've found is that it's definitely doable 1163 00:47:01.020 --> 00:47:03.600 and hopefully we'll have more and more resources 1164 00:47:03.600 --> 00:47:06.117 for doing this sort of work in the future. 1165 00:47:07.987 --> 00:47:10.260 Thank you for explaining that. 1166 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:14.730 So the primer is something you add, an additive 1167 00:47:14.730 --> 00:47:17.610 to the water sample, is that what I'm understanding? 1168 00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:20.220 In a way, so what happens is you take the water sample 1169 00:47:20.220 --> 00:47:22.470 and then what I didn't show you is you're actually 1170 00:47:22.470 --> 00:47:24.480 going filter that water sample. 1171 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:26.340 What you do is you save the filter 1172 00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.620 and you'll have captured any particles in the water 1173 00:47:28.620 --> 00:47:31.950 that might contain DNA, and then you do one reaction 1174 00:47:31.950 --> 00:47:36.240 before the PCR, and that's what we call a DNA purification. 1175 00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:39.720 And in that step, you take all the DNA out of the sample 1176 00:47:39.720 --> 00:47:42.990 and then the PCR comes next and the PCR actually amplifies 1177 00:47:42.990 --> 00:47:45.609 or copies the DNA you're interested in. 1178 00:47:45.609 --> 00:47:46.497 Got it. 1179 00:47:46.497 --> 00:47:48.780 So yeah, generally yes, it's taking DNA 1180 00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:50.700 from a water sample that you're interested in 1181 00:47:50.700 --> 00:47:52.350 and making it much more available to you 1182 00:47:52.350 --> 00:47:55.170 and then allowing you to actually sequence it. 1183 00:47:55.170 --> 00:47:56.280 Thank you. 1184 00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.630 Yep. Sure. 1185 00:47:57.630 --> 00:48:00.442 Next question, why can't the DNA codes released 1186 00:48:00.442 --> 00:48:02.910 from corals at the Flower Garden Banks be matched 1187 00:48:02.910 --> 00:48:05.033 with DNA released from reefs off Mexico 1188 00:48:05.033 --> 00:48:06.655 and the Caribbean to determine which 1189 00:48:06.655 --> 00:48:09.450 reefs originally seeded the Flower Garden Banks? 1190 00:48:09.450 --> 00:48:12.240 That's a fantastic question. 1191 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:14.970 So to give you an idea 1192 00:48:14.970 --> 00:48:18.000 of what I'm doing when I'm talking about sequencing DNA, 1193 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.630 at least from environmental DNA, is I'm usually dealing 1194 00:48:21.630 --> 00:48:24.420 with pretty short sequences. 1195 00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:28.935 And the reason for that is that the sequencing technologies 1196 00:48:28.935 --> 00:48:33.180 that we're using are for the moment to 1197 00:48:33.180 --> 00:48:35.340 at least do exactly what I want, kind of limited 1198 00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:36.360 in that regard. 1199 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.860 So I showed you only short sequences of like five letters. 1200 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:43.573 In actuality it's longer than that, it's around 350 1201 00:48:44.407 --> 00:48:48.150 to 400 letters, at least the sequences I'm dealing with. 1202 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:49.800 But with that much information, 1203 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:51.420 what you can do pretty confidently 1204 00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:55.320 is you can identify corals to the species level. 1205 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.690 Now, what you could do with that information 1206 00:48:57.690 --> 00:48:59.520 if you collect samples from the Gulf of Mexico 1207 00:48:59.520 --> 00:49:00.353 and from the Caribbean, 1208 00:49:00.353 --> 00:49:04.350 is you can see how those two habitats might share species. 1209 00:49:04.350 --> 00:49:05.520 So in a way, you might be able 1210 00:49:05.520 --> 00:49:10.260 to say this coral habitat, let's say Bright Bank 1211 00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:14.160 for example, has X, Y, and Z coral species. 1212 00:49:14.160 --> 00:49:16.800 And we know that this part of the Caribbean 1213 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.320 also has the same three coral species. 1214 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.870 And if we know something about the physical oceanography 1215 00:49:21.870 --> 00:49:24.000 or how currents move, we might be able 1216 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.900 to generate some hypotheses or guesses about how corals 1217 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:29.040 in the Flower Garden Banks 1218 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:30.690 in the Caribbean might be similar, 1219 00:49:30.690 --> 00:49:34.530 and how they might actually be exchanging coral colonies 1220 00:49:34.530 --> 00:49:35.940 through reproduction. 1221 00:49:35.940 --> 00:49:38.190 However, that's as far as you can get 1222 00:49:38.190 --> 00:49:40.290 with eDNA to this point. 1223 00:49:40.290 --> 00:49:43.347 But some studies have tried to do it a little bit more, 1224 00:49:43.347 --> 00:49:44.760 and what you need to do is you need 1225 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.970 to sequence a longer part, or you need to target a part 1226 00:49:47.970 --> 00:49:51.810 of the genome that's super variable for a given species 1227 00:49:51.810 --> 00:49:55.650 to look at how like, let's say a population of one type 1228 00:49:55.650 --> 00:49:58.860 of coral is different or more related to a population 1229 00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:00.750 of another type of coral in the Caribbean 1230 00:50:00.750 --> 00:50:02.730 than it might be into the Atlantic. 1231 00:50:02.730 --> 00:50:04.680 And so when you're looking within coral types 1232 00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:07.920 to actually see how genetically similar, the same type 1233 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.520 of coral is to each other, we're still kind of 1234 00:50:11.520 --> 00:50:13.860 in the, I guess we're on the forefront of doing 1235 00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:16.320 that from environmental DNA, but 1236 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.660 for the time being, it's not something that's widely done. 1237 00:50:18.660 --> 00:50:21.600 And that's a big area of ongoing research. 1238 00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:25.040 So I hope that helped answer your question. 1239 00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:28.057 Yes, thank you. And I'm glad somebody asked that. 1240 00:50:28.057 --> 00:50:29.707 I've always wondered that. 1241 00:50:29.707 --> 00:50:30.540 Yeah. 1242 00:50:30.540 --> 00:50:33.180 Next question, does eDNA degrade 1243 00:50:33.180 --> 00:50:34.740 at different rates in the ocean? 1244 00:50:34.740 --> 00:50:38.220 Is that something you're able to quantify in your research? 1245 00:50:38.220 --> 00:50:39.600 Yeah, that's a fantastic question. 1246 00:50:39.600 --> 00:50:42.750 And it's something that I actually have quantified. 1247 00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:45.975 So I conducted some lab experiments, I guess 1248 00:50:45.975 --> 00:50:48.030 over the past couple of years. 1249 00:50:48.030 --> 00:50:51.030 That was a project that I started as soon 1250 00:50:51.030 --> 00:50:53.670 as I joined the graduate program 1251 00:50:53.670 --> 00:50:56.700 and joined Dr. Herrera's Lab. 1252 00:50:56.700 --> 00:51:00.060 And what I did is I took coral tissue 1253 00:51:00.060 --> 00:51:03.240 and I actually introduced it into experimental tanks 1254 00:51:03.240 --> 00:51:04.920 at different temperatures. 1255 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.630 And what I did was I just left it there. 1256 00:51:06.630 --> 00:51:08.370 I left, I controlled the temperature, 1257 00:51:08.370 --> 00:51:11.310 the oxygen concentration and the pH in those tanks. 1258 00:51:11.310 --> 00:51:13.770 And then I sampled those tanks every single day 1259 00:51:13.770 --> 00:51:18.540 to see how much eDNA was left after a certain time point. 1260 00:51:18.540 --> 00:51:20.430 And so what I found, and what a lot 1261 00:51:20.430 --> 00:51:22.710 of other studies have found from marine animals, is 1262 00:51:22.710 --> 00:51:26.790 that the environmental DNA will degrade faster 1263 00:51:26.790 --> 00:51:28.230 at higher temperatures. 1264 00:51:28.230 --> 00:51:30.960 And so this makes sense in a lot of ways. 1265 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.330 First of all, it may be just 1266 00:51:33.330 --> 00:51:35.940 because temperature increases the rate 1267 00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:37.498 of chemical reactions. 1268 00:51:37.498 --> 00:51:40.562 And so DNA, like any molecule will break down. 1269 00:51:40.562 --> 00:51:43.260 And so that might happen faster at higher temperatures. 1270 00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:46.200 The other reason could be that things like microbes 1271 00:51:46.200 --> 00:51:50.010 that might actually be, in a way, degrading the DNA 1272 00:51:50.010 --> 00:51:53.340 by using it for the compounds that it they need for 1273 00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:56.340 to make a living themselves, they might also contribute 1274 00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:59.790 to breaking down DNA molecules and they might do that faster 1275 00:51:59.790 --> 00:52:03.170 at higher temperatures because they can grow faster. 1276 00:52:03.170 --> 00:52:07.260 And so that's a great question and what I think I would end 1277 00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:09.090 with in regards to that question is 1278 00:52:09.090 --> 00:52:10.620 that what you should be aware 1279 00:52:10.620 --> 00:52:13.140 of when you're studying a place that's as vast 1280 00:52:13.140 --> 00:52:15.090 as the deep sea is what the temperature 1281 00:52:15.090 --> 00:52:17.802 is when you're taking an environmental DNA sample. 1282 00:52:17.802 --> 00:52:19.350 If you're extremely deep 1283 00:52:19.350 --> 00:52:21.780 in the ocean, the temperature is gonna be really low. 1284 00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:25.410 And so potentially that means the DNA that is there, 1285 00:52:25.410 --> 00:52:27.853 if it hasn't sunk to the bottom and settled 1286 00:52:27.853 --> 00:52:30.308 in the sediments, it might be transported 1287 00:52:30.308 --> 00:52:31.800 by currents a long distance. 1288 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.660 And that's also an area of ongoing research. 1289 00:52:33.660 --> 00:52:36.705 And a lot of experiments have looked into that. 1290 00:52:36.705 --> 00:52:39.390 And as more and more field data is collected from 1291 00:52:39.390 --> 00:52:41.670 around the world from deep sea habitats 1292 00:52:41.670 --> 00:52:43.461 with eDNA, we'll certainly be able 1293 00:52:43.461 --> 00:52:46.680 to know a lot more confidently about how long exactly 1294 00:52:46.680 --> 00:52:49.273 that can last and what your data can look like 1295 00:52:49.273 --> 00:52:50.673 from different places. 1296 00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:56.160 Fantastic, I think we have time 1297 00:52:56.160 --> 00:52:57.390 for two more questions. 1298 00:52:57.390 --> 00:52:59.640 This one is, are you finding DNA 1299 00:52:59.640 --> 00:53:02.250 from unknown species of corals? 1300 00:53:02.250 --> 00:53:03.758 Yes. Yeah, I am. 1301 00:53:03.758 --> 00:53:06.330 That's one 1302 00:53:06.330 --> 00:53:10.740 of the coolest parts I think about studying the deep ocean 1303 00:53:10.740 --> 00:53:15.180 or the mesophotic ocean, is that, I don't know. 1304 00:53:15.180 --> 00:53:17.610 I can't tell you that I'm finding new species, 1305 00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:18.930 but what I can tell you is that a lot 1306 00:53:18.930 --> 00:53:20.700 of the species I'm finding, 1307 00:53:20.700 --> 00:53:23.070 we haven't sequenced their genomes yet. 1308 00:53:23.070 --> 00:53:25.890 And so what that means is that this method is only 1309 00:53:25.890 --> 00:53:27.900 as powerful as the reference database 1310 00:53:27.900 --> 00:53:29.280 that I mentioned earlier. 1311 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.410 And so that's built off of research 1312 00:53:31.410 --> 00:53:33.450 from around the world, you know, different museums, 1313 00:53:33.450 --> 00:53:35.700 different people conducting this sort of research. 1314 00:53:35.700 --> 00:53:37.140 And what we really need to do is try 1315 00:53:37.140 --> 00:53:39.630 and sequence the genome of every coral that exists 1316 00:53:39.630 --> 00:53:41.370 in the ocean and then we could help 1317 00:53:41.370 --> 00:53:43.500 to identify all of the species. 1318 00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:46.170 But yeah, when I take a look at my data, while I'm able 1319 00:53:46.170 --> 00:53:48.450 to confidently identify, you know, a fair amount 1320 00:53:48.450 --> 00:53:51.628 of the sequences that I find, there are a lot of sequences 1321 00:53:51.628 --> 00:53:53.430 that I can't identify just because 1322 00:53:53.430 --> 00:53:55.680 we haven't even sequenced the genome of that coral. 1323 00:53:55.680 --> 00:53:58.980 So it's still an area that, you know, there's a lot 1324 00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.140 of exploration left to do, which is I think why I've been 1325 00:54:01.140 --> 00:54:05.250 so kind of intrigued with studying the deep ocean 1326 00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:06.655 for so long now. 1327 00:54:07.830 --> 00:54:09.660 Always plenty to learn. 1328 00:54:09.660 --> 00:54:10.890 Yep. 1329 00:54:10.890 --> 00:54:12.420 All right. I think this will be our last question. 1330 00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:14.910 What was something that you found most surprising 1331 00:54:14.910 --> 00:54:16.500 in your submersible experience? 1332 00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:19.080 Any aha or wow moments? 1333 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:22.140 Yeah, so this sounds, this sounds silly, 1334 00:54:22.140 --> 00:54:25.710 but honestly when we talked about understanding the size 1335 00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:28.500 of things, for the longest time I had always been 1336 00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:30.810 so confused when a coral would come up onto the deck 1337 00:54:30.810 --> 00:54:33.300 of the ship if we had collected it and I take a look at it 1338 00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:35.370 and go, oh my gosh, this thing is puny 1339 00:54:35.370 --> 00:54:36.660 or this thing is huge. 1340 00:54:36.660 --> 00:54:38.130 Because when you see it in two dimensions, 1341 00:54:38.130 --> 00:54:40.650 you really just have no idea what it looks like. 1342 00:54:40.650 --> 00:54:42.420 And so when you see things 1343 00:54:42.420 --> 00:54:43.800 in three dimensions, when you're actually 1344 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.620 in the sub, you see how the bottom changes. 1345 00:54:46.620 --> 00:54:50.130 There's where I was is very volcanic, so there are big lobes 1346 00:54:50.130 --> 00:54:53.700 of lava and so it's a really complex environment. 1347 00:54:53.700 --> 00:54:55.050 And then I saw this fish that 1348 00:54:55.050 --> 00:54:58.680 for the longest time I had thought was huge. 1349 00:54:58.680 --> 00:54:59.970 It's called the tripod fish 1350 00:54:59.970 --> 00:55:01.860 and you should definitely Google image search 1351 00:55:01.860 --> 00:55:05.190 that deep sea tripod fish like the camera tripod. 1352 00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:07.271 And I thought it was huge and then I actually saw one 1353 00:55:07.271 --> 00:55:09.810 and it was very small, it was like this big 1354 00:55:09.810 --> 00:55:12.090 and it kind of just took, took my breath away. 1355 00:55:12.090 --> 00:55:14.553 So, yep. Very cool. 1356 00:55:15.432 --> 00:55:17.430 Thank you so much, Luke. 1357 00:55:17.430 --> 00:55:19.980 So folks, that's all the questions we can take for now, 1358 00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:23.340 but Luke, we do have quite a passel of them left. 1359 00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:24.870 So I'll be touching base with you 1360 00:55:24.870 --> 00:55:27.030 after the program to see what we can do about those. 1361 00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:28.410 All right, sounds great. Thanks, Kelly. 1362 00:55:28.410 --> 00:55:29.740 Thank you all for joining. 1363 00:55:29.740 --> 00:55:31.655 All right, we're not done yet. 1364 00:55:31.655 --> 00:55:33.742 Got a few things to wrap up here folks, 1365 00:55:33.742 --> 00:55:36.810 so let me get back to my part of my presentation. 1366 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:40.350 Here we go. 1367 00:55:40.350 --> 00:55:44.370 So folks, we hope you enjoyed this final webinar 1368 00:55:44.370 --> 00:55:47.100 of our 2023 Seaside Chat series. 1369 00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:49.500 Be sure to check back with us next January 1370 00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:51.060 and see what we have in store 1371 00:55:51.060 --> 00:55:55.053 for the 2024 schedule. You never know. 1372 00:55:55.890 --> 00:55:58.800 And depending on the number of questions we have left, 1373 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.200 as I mentioned, there are quite a few, we will get with Luke 1374 00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:03.660 and see what we can get answered after the webinar ends. 1375 00:56:03.660 --> 00:56:06.240 And then we will email out the responses. 1376 00:56:06.240 --> 00:56:08.748 For those of you who have participated in the previous three 1377 00:56:08.748 --> 00:56:11.490 we've been sending 'em out about a week after the fact. 1378 00:56:11.490 --> 00:56:14.610 It'll depend how quickly we can get these answers back 1379 00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:17.310 from Luke and some of them we can answer ourselves, 1380 00:56:17.310 --> 00:56:18.180 but we will do our best 1381 00:56:18.180 --> 00:56:20.520 to get them out to you fairly promptly. 1382 00:56:20.520 --> 00:56:21.353 If you'd like to learn more 1383 00:56:21.353 --> 00:56:23.490 on your own, we have provided a document full 1384 00:56:23.490 --> 00:56:26.850 of resource links in the handouts pane of the control panel, 1385 00:56:26.850 --> 00:56:28.448 and if you haven't yet downloaded it, 1386 00:56:28.448 --> 00:56:31.050 now would be a very good time. 1387 00:56:31.050 --> 00:56:33.360 As always, we welcome your feedback and questions 1388 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.220 and you can submit input by replying 1389 00:56:35.220 --> 00:56:37.921 to the follow-up email you receive after the webinar, 1390 00:56:37.921 --> 00:56:42.513 or by emailing us at flowergarden@noaa.gov. 1391 00:56:44.860 --> 00:56:47.250 Today's presentation has also been part 1392 00:56:47.250 --> 00:56:50.070 of the National Marine Sanctuary Webinar Series. 1393 00:56:50.070 --> 00:56:52.440 While Seaside Chat lasts just one month. 1394 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.470 Our National Webinar Series continues throughout the year 1395 00:56:55.470 --> 00:56:56.880 to provide you with educational 1396 00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.370 and scientific expertise, resources, 1397 00:56:59.370 --> 00:57:03.150 and training to support ocean and climate literacy. 1398 00:57:03.150 --> 00:57:05.940 Be sure to check the website for recordings of past webinars 1399 00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:08.272 and the schedule of what's to come. 1400 00:57:08.272 --> 00:57:10.650 As a reminder, we will share the recording 1401 00:57:10.650 --> 00:57:13.620 of this webinar via the National Marine Sanctuaries 1402 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:17.170 and Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary website. 1403 00:57:19.980 --> 00:57:23.520 Following this webinar, attendees will receive a PDF copy 1404 00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.520 of a certificate of attendance that provides documentation 1405 00:57:26.520 --> 00:57:28.410 for one hour of professional development 1406 00:57:28.410 --> 00:57:30.360 for today's presentation. 1407 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.390 This includes our Texas CPE provider number for those 1408 00:57:33.390 --> 00:57:35.223 of you who are Texas educators. 1409 00:57:35.223 --> 00:57:36.660 If you are an educator 1410 00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:39.180 outside of Texas, please use this certificate 1411 00:57:39.180 --> 00:57:41.760 to help get your hours approved in your district. 1412 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:43.830 And if you require additional information in 1413 00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:48.738 that respect, please contact me at flowergarden@noaa.gov. 1414 00:57:48.738 --> 00:57:50.940 There will also be a short evaluation 1415 00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:52.770 following today's presentation. 1416 00:57:52.770 --> 00:57:54.630 Please complete this survey immediately 1417 00:57:54.630 --> 00:57:56.190 after signing off the webinar. 1418 00:57:56.190 --> 00:57:58.470 It should only take you about three minutes, 1419 00:57:58.470 --> 00:58:01.530 and we greatly appreciate any feedback you are 1420 00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:02.805 willing to share. 1421 00:58:04.590 --> 00:58:06.480 Thanks again to Luke McCartin 1422 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:09.120 for a great presentation about coral forensics 1423 00:58:09.120 --> 00:58:10.590 in the Mesophotic Zone 1424 00:58:10.590 --> 00:58:13.320 at the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary. 1425 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:14.820 Luke, it was a pleasure to have you 1426 00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:16.912 as our presenter this evening. 1427 00:58:18.547 --> 00:58:21.000 Thank you so much for having me, Kelly. 1428 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.370 It was a really great time and super fun to talk 1429 00:58:23.370 --> 00:58:24.933 with you all about my research. 1430 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.010 We enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for sure. (chuckles) 1431 00:58:29.010 --> 00:58:32.550 And thanks to all of you for taking the time to join us. 1432 00:58:32.550 --> 00:58:34.593 This concludes today's webinar.