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<v ->Camera, but we can go ahead and start.</v>

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Mahalo everyone's patience.

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Mai ka piʻi a ka lā i Haʻehaʻe

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a hiki i ka mōlehulehu ʻana i Hōlanikū,

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aloha pumehana kākou!

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Mahalo no kēia launa ʻana o kākou i kēia lā.

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<v ->From the rising of the sun at Ha'eha'e,</v>

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to the setting of the sun at Hōlanikū,

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we greet you with the warmest aloha.

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Welcome to Mokupāpapa Discovery Center's

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Third Thursday by the Bay Lecture Series.

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We have over 550 people who have registered,

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and we mahalo all of you for joining us today.

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ʻO wau nō ʻo Kanoeʻulalani Morishige

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<v Kanoe>My name is Kanoe'ulalani Morishige,</v>

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and I'm the Native Hawaiian Program Specialist

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for NOAA Papahānaumokuākea.

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And I'm very pleased today

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to have my co-host introduce themselves.

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<v ->ʻO wau nō ʻo Malia Evans.</v>

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I am the Oʻahu Education and Outreach Coordinator

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on behalf of Papahānaumokuākea,

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and we have our colleague Justin Umholtz joining us today.

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Justin, would you like to say aloha?

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Aloha mai.Justin Umholtz koʻu ʻinoa.

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I'm the education coordinator

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over at Mokupāpapa Discovery Center.

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<v ->Somebody's, there's some reverb going on.</v>

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Kanoe, are you still there?

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<v ->Yes, I'm still here. (speaking in Hawaiian)</v>

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So these webinars are provided by

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NOAA's Office of National Marine Sanctuaries

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and are great opportunities to connect with those of you

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who are interested in the exploration, research,

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and discoveries occurring across our sanctuary system.

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<v ->So all of you are coming in</v>

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to go to webinar in listen only mode.

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You don't have the ability to mute or unmute yourselves,

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but there is a question and comment box

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on your control panel.

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So if you're having any kind of technical difficulties,

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please post it in the comment box

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and Justin will be right there

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to help kōkua you.

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During the Q and A segment,

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which we'll have after Pelika's presentation,

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you can put questions and comments in there as well.

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We will be recording this webinar

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and we'll have it publicly available online.

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So we like to begin our webinars

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with Hawaiian cultural protocol

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to set that space for the giving and receiving

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of information and ʻike, knowledge.

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So I will turn it over to Kanoe.

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<v ->Mahalo.</v>

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(Kanoe chanting in Hawaiian)

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Mahalo nui e Kanoe.

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ʻO ka Mahina ʻŌlelo Hawaiʻi kēia a ola nō

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ka ʻōlelo makuahine i ʻō a i ʻaneʻi o ka paeʻāina o Hawaiʻi.

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Na NOAA PMNM i kākoʻo nui i ka hōʻola ʻana

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i ka ʻōlelo Hawaiʻi ma nā ʻano like ʻole.

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Ma o ka alu like ʻana me Ke Keʻena Kuleana Hawaiʻi

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a me Hale Kuamoʻo ma ke kulanui o Hawaiʻi ma Hilo,

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hana ʻia kekahi mau palapala ʻāina

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e hōʻike a hoʻomohala i nā inoa kūpuna o nā mokupuni a pau

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mai ka pali kū pākū i ka makani o Nihoa

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a hiki i ke one alohilani o Holanikū.

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<v ->(speaking in Hawaiian) I'm having technical difficulties</v>

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right now with pulling up the slides,

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so (speaking in Hawaiian) try and grab those slides again.

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Hold on just a moment.

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Justin, can you confirm that you can see the slides?

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<v Justin>I only see your desktop.</v>

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<v ->Okay.</v>

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Oh, so much pilikia  today!

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Okay, I am looking for the slides.

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If you folks can just be patient.

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Justin, can you make me the presenter?

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<v Justin>You are set as presenter.</v>

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I can take it off and put it back.

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<v ->Okay, I'm so sorry folks.</v>

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Okay, there we go.

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All right, are we good?

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We are good.

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Thank you guys so much for your patience

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as we work through all this pilikia.

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So NOAA's Papahānaumokuākea is committed to

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the revitalization of ʻŌlelo Hawai'i,

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the Hawaiian language across the Hawaiian Islands,

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In the past few years, partnerships with NOAA,

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the Office of Hawaiian Affairs and (speaking in Hawaiian)

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created maps of the ancestral islands

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of Papahānaumokuākea with descriptions

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of the names from the wind resisting cliffs

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of Nihoa

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to the shimmering sands of Hōlanikū.

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A laila, ola ka ʻōlelo i ka hoʻokumu ʻana o Papahānaumokuākea Cultural Working Group

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i ka papahana Nomenclature,

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ma o ke kuanaʻike Hawaiʻi e hānau ʻia ai kēia mau inoa

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no nā mea ola kai o ke kai lipo, nā manu, a pēlā wale aku.

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<v ->Furthermore, ʻŌlelo Hawai'i lives through</v>

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the cultural working groups nomenclature subcommittee,

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creating an ever-evolving process to define and articulate

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a collective present day relationship

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with the newly discovered

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A laila, ʻo ka hana nui ke kākoʻo ʻana

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i ka hoʻoikaika ʻana i ka pilina me nā kula kaiapuni

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ma o ka noiʻi moana nui.

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Kākoʻo ʻia ke kūkulu ʻana i ke kahua e aʻo aku ai

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i ka ʻepekema moana mai ke kuanaʻike Hawaiʻi.

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E mau ana ka ʻōlelo makuahine e paʻa ai i ka ʻike kuʻuna

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e wili ʻia e ka pilina i ka ʻāina a ka lehulehu o nā kūpuna.

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He pilina wehena ʻole ka ʻike kuʻuna a me ka hana o kēia lā.

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We support community partnerships

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with the Ocean Exploration Trust,

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hosting live ship to shore interactions

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with Hawaiian language immersion schools and local schools

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with a collective vision of building

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grounded in Hawaiian knowledge systems.

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ʻŌlelo Hawai'i is woven into composing oli, chants,

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and the perpetuating of ancestral practices of oli

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and all facets of cultural protocol.

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<v ->Today Kānaka 'Ōiwi continue to perpetuate</v>

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ʻŌlelo Hawai'i as one of many foundational elements

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perpetuating ancestral knowledge systems

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to build pilina to places and strengthen

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communities of kilo, or keen observers,

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towards ʻāina momona,

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healthy and thriving communities of people and places.

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We hope that today's webinar will shine light

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on the deeper interwoven layers

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of weaving diverse knowledge systems, tools, values,

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and practices of our 'Ōiwi,

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or Native Hawaiian leaders and communities today.

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So we'll go ahead and add

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some ʻŌlelo Hawai'i resources in the chat.

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Before we start today's presentation by Pelika Andrade,

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we wanna give you a brief introduction to Papahānaumokuākea,

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the Office of National Marine Sanctuaries.

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Serves as a trustee for network

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of more than 600,000 square miles

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of marine and Great Lakes waters.

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Located in the Central Northern Pacific,

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roughly 3000 miles from the nearest continental land mass,

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Papahānaumokuākea is part of

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the remotest archipelago in the world.

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This isolation has led to the evolution

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of many unique plants and animals.

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Papahānaumokuākea encompasses over 580,000 square miles

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of the Pacific Ocean and is one of

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the largest marine protected areas in the world.

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Papahānaumokuākea is considered the ancestral homeland

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of Kānaka 'Ōiwi or Native Hawaiian people

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with sacred cultural and archeological features

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and is internationally recognized

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as a UNESCO cultural and natural world heritage site.

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<v ->So Mokupāpapa Discovery Center</v>

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on Hilo's historic bayfront was established in 2003

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to bring the story of Papahānaumokuākea to the community.

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Most people will never have an opportunity

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to visit these ancestral kupuna islands,

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so our facility serves to bring the place to the people.

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Our exhibits including 3,500 gallon saltwater aquarium

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with native reef fish, educational programming,

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and outreach activities inform and engage

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thousands of visitors yearly.

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a responsibility and a privilege

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to protect these special places today and for tomorrow

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for the numerous generations that will come after us.

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And we are so honored to have Pelika joining us today.

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Mahalo nui, we're gonna ask Pelika

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to please turn on your camera right now

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and we'll do a brief introduction.

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A Native Hawaiian born and raised on the island of Kauai,

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Pelika Andrade is a founder and executive director

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of Na Maka Onaona, a Hawai'i-based nonprofit

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and extension agent for the University of Hawai'i

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Sea Grant College Program.

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She has a long history working with Hawai'i's communities

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throughout the archipelago as a community member,

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Hoa ʻāina, and researcher.

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For the past 14 years, she has been developing

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alternate approaches to monitoring Hawai'i's watersheds

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and supporting implementation of management strategies

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that support ʻāina momona,

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healthy, balanced, and thriving communities.

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So without further ado, we present Pelika Andrade.

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Pelika, you can share your screen and take it away.

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Mahalo.

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<v ->Mahalo, aloha kākou.</v>

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So just bear with me.

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This is a new platform.

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(speaking in Hawaiian) Malia, can you see that?

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<v Malia>Yes.</v>

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<v ->Awesome.</v>

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Okay, aloha nui kākou. ʻO wau o Pelika Andrade. No Kauai mai au.

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little bit nervous

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as this is another platform

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and I cannot see anybody or anything,

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so I'm just kind of talking to a screen.

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So apologies for rushing or going too slow

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or feeling like a robot,

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'cause I feel like a robot right now,

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but aloha kākou, welina mai.

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I know this is

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a focus of Mahina 'Ōlelo Hawaiʻi,

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our Hawaiian language month.

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This talk will be in English, but we will be covering

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some really important Hawaiian concepts and words

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as the title of this talk speaks to pilina and ʻāina momona.

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Without further ado, I'm just gonna jump in.

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Again, this is really awkward,

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because I can't see anybody,

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but aloha kākou, for joining.

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So before we jump into some of the tools

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that we're gonna talk about further along in the talk,

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I wanted to give some background and some genealogy

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to the work that I do and the people

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that I get to work with.

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In my introduction, it said that

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I have been building these tools,

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but these tools have been developed

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through many, many partnerships, collaborations, community,

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community engagements and participation.

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So this is a collective journey, first and foremost,

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which starts a little bit before Nā Kilo ʻĀina,

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but we've landed on Nā Kilo ʻĀina

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being one of our broader programs.

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So through this broader program of Nā Kilo ʻĀina,

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we've been implementing a lot of research,

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a lot of community outreach, and support and collaborations.

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And I wanna touch on this name,

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this program name, Nā Kilo ʻĀina.

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We're gonna start with ʻāina.

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So I know a lot of you have heard ʻāina before hopefully.

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A lot of people refer to ʻāina as land.

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And we wanna kind of expand this idea of ʻāina.

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So ʻāina, if we look at the foundation of that word,

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which is kaʻāina, it really talks about sustenance,

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it talks about feedings.

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And when we talk about feeding, we also acknowledge

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that there's other types of feedings.

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So there's physical, spiritual, emotional,

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and mental feedings.

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So when we are referring to ʻāina

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and the work that we do and these collaborations,

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we really are addressing all the ʻāina,

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all the things that feed in all the dimensions.

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So ʻāina becomes our ourselves as individuals,

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as we provide feedings to our communities, to our families,

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our families are ʻāina, our organizations are ʻāina,

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our churches are ʻāina, our schools are ʻāina,

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they're all of these feedings that are happening

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and are really, really important to our overall health.

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The other thing about ʻāina that is really important

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from Hawai'i is this idea of,

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not idea, this value of reciprocity.

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So ʻāina in, sorry, in existence is based on reciprocity.

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The feedings that we receive from ʻāina

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are very much dependent on the feedings that we give.

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So we give as good as we get actually, right?

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So ʻāina is is one of those things.

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Kilo is a word I think that is just beautiful word

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that's been used more and more every day

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and it's really, really exciting.

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But I wanna expand it as we've done with ʻāina.

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So kilo is a type of observation

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and it's a process of observation.

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It's not simply to observe.

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So when people go, "hey, let's go and kilo the clouds,"

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it's not simply going outside and looking at clouds.

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The kilo process is tied to a decision

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that is being made, right?

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So we have other words for look, right?

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But we wanna go and look, we wanna identify,

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we want to see how those dots that we identify

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connect to the story that is being told.

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And then what are those stories informing

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in the decisions that we're trying to make?

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So Nā Kilo ʻĀina is about building communities

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of observers of the many things that feed us

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so we can start to understand that reciprocity

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and our feelings become valuable

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and generous in that way, right?

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So the feedings coming back to us are along the same lines.

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So that's Nā Kilo ʻĀina and that's the foundation

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a lot of the programs and the tools that I'm gonna get into.

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Another really important thing

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that I think all of us should consider or include

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in all of our actions and our initiatives is our goals.

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I think it's really, really important

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for us to align our goals and be very clear of our goals.

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So our goals for Nā Kilo ʻĀina are ʻāina momona.

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We strive for thriving and productive communities.

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The alahula ʻāina momoma, alahula is this beautiful word,

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it's a path well traveled

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and that is our wish for our communities

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to create a path well traveled

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to thriving and productive communities.

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So how do we go about doing that?

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And through the journey that we've been on,

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we really acknowledge that all of it

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is founded on relationships, pilina.

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Everything that we do, how we see the world,

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how we interact with the world, how we care for the world,

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how we care for ourselves, all depends on relationships.

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So at the foundation of all that we do,

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we're really, really aware, if you will,

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about how we relate to things

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and actually creating that space

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where relationships are established and strengthened

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in all the work that we do.

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Oh, I'm gonna go back one more time, sorry.

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So these relationships, when we talk about kilo,

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when we talk about how we observe to make decisions,

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we are looking at that observations relationship.

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So if we haven't dove deep

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into expanding those relationships,

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we kind of see and observe and make connections

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and really read stories very, very differently

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unless that expansion happens,

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and that's a lot of what we do in Nā Kilo ʻĀina

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we're trying to build and expand on relationships

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so we can start to address not only the challenges,

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but it expands the opportunities of solutions.

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So we talk about indigenous literacy.

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And I know everybody kind of sees these words

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and thinks of different things.

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Literacy is a way of receiving information

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and being able to share it back out in a comprehensible way.

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And when on this journey of academics

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and on this journey of kilo

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and in this journey of ʻāina momona,

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we started to engage a lot with our places,

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and really tried to understand

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what these stories were from our places.

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And then we came across an article

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that really talked about our landscapes

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as our knowledge repositories.

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And if you will, our knowledge are our libraries.

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And our ability to read our libraries over time

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has become less and less.

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And we've lost the vocabulary, we've lost our fluency

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of accessing the libraries of our environment,

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the libraries of the world around us,

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the libraries and the knowledge that our kupuna,

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which are our winds and our rains

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and our corals and our oceans, are trying to share with us,

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but we no longer have the tools and the grammar,

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the vocabulary if you will, to listen and read.

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And that's kind of what we're leaning into

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with this indigenous literacy.

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Accessing the landscapes, the knowledge repositories,

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being able to read these libraries,

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and becoming fluent again in that exchange.

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So in allowing a place to start to contribute

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to its own story, because we all come in

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with all these biases and the external world

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keeps telling us what we see.

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And it's really interesting over time we see things,

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but we always default

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to what someone else is trying to tell us.

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And this journey is about going back

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and letting a place tell us what to do without those biases

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and without those other external inputs.

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So, excuse me, I'm gonna take you through

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some really, really simple, but they're so simple

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everybody kind of passes over them,

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on that process for us

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and what we kind of simply just engage in,

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which means the world to Nā Kilo ʻāina.

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So one of it is be present and paying attention.

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And this is so simple, a lot of people kind of underestimate

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the power of paying attention and just being in place.

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And you have to do those two things together.

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Also pilina, right?

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Going back to relationships,

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they determine how you are present

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and how you pay attention.

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So it's part of that is building relationships

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as well, right?

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But paying attention.

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And everybody pays attention different.

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Everybody pays attention according to their experiences,

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they pay attention to what they are exposed to.

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So again, relationships once again.

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So if you can think back and really look at

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your four years of high school, right?

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You were there, everybody was there,

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but how well were you paying attention?

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Can you tell me outside of the classes you went to,

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the bathroom you ran to and maybe some of us, including me,

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the principal's office you went to, who else was present,

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what kind of bird people were there?

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What kind of plant people were there?

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When were they fruiting and seeding and dying back?

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When were birds coming in?

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Kolea, did you notice when temperatures dropped,

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when humidity became high, right?

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So there's all of these things that the natural world,

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our kupuna, are telling us,

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and we were there for four years,

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but not a lot of us can reflect on that time

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and really tell us and give

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some really well-informed guess, not guesses.

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Yeah, well, guesses of what was happening,

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because again, according to our experience,

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we weren't really paying attention.

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So it's really, really about building that

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and broadening our attention

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and what we look at and who tells the stories.

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So first one, be present and pay attention.

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The second is mana'o lana and mana'o i'o

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and this came from Manu Meyer who did a talk years ago

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at UH Hilo that I got to listen into and attend.

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And it's kind of like ma ka hana ka 'ike right?

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In one doing one knows.

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But it's another beautiful way of how our language

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and the words that we use

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bring a different imagery and a different kind of power.

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So mana'o are ideas and concepts,

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this is word is gonna come up again,

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and lana means to float, i'o means meat and flesh.

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So taking mana'o lana and turning them into mana'o i'o,

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taking ideas and concepts that float about us,

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which is our whole academic journey most of the time, right?

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We talk about a lot of things,

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but rarely do we ever get to infuse ourselves into it.

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And the the goal and the challenge is to do it,

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to infuse ourselves, our whole selves into it,

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until it becomes that of the flesh.

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And then you start to change relationships, right?

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Up on your left corner, there are three of our young men

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tending to the manawai at Limahuli.

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and we are looking at the intake for our patches,

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our taro patches, and you have teamwork,

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and you have all of that.

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But now they're asking questions about stream systems

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and larger watersheds and clean water

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and what happens when you don't have

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a healthy upper watershed

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and the ecosystems up there aren't diverse?

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And what happens when the native ecosystems

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change into an invasive or an introduced monocrop,

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if you will, right?

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So there's all of these questions

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that come simply from damming up water for the intake

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for our lo'i.

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The boys in the middle are patching the loulu hale

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and most don't and can't recognize loulu.

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But now we're asking questions about what is loulu?

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What are these palms?

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Where do they grow?

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How do we bring those forests back?

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What were their importance

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in the broader scheme of things, right?

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So all of these other questions that pop up

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and then we have to the right,

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and Kanoeula  is in that photo collecting salt.

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So these are from the salt beds at Kalaemanō

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which we've done about 14 years of research at.

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And we have this beautiful history about salt collection,

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and we have all of these assumptions

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of how that looks and what has to happen.

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And then we started to collect salt.

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And let me tell you,

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over half of our assumptions were wrong,

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even though it made sense in our head.

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By simply doing the mana'o lana,

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taking the ideas of what we think is happening,

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doing it, and that reality starts to shift

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and then other things become real.

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I talk about realities and we talk about

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the stories we tell ourselves.

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And this is a huge part of this growing process.

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It's making their realities yours and vice versa.

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And this is broadening relationships,

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broadening experiences, so you can see the world

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through different lenses, right?

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A lot of our conflict happens,

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not because we don't agree on the end goal,

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it's because we don't agree on how we get there.

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We have right now in our conservation world,

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a lot of conflict with hunters and fishermen

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and a lot of the stories that are told

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put hunters and fishermen in a negative kind of space.

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But in reality, when you get to talk to fishermen

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and you get to understand the pride of catching a fish

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or catching a lot of fish and being able to mahele

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that out to your community and share

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and put food on the table and understand

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what they see through their lens and through their eyes,

500
00:26:16.306 --> 00:26:20.490
you start to broaden an understanding

501
00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:23.220
of a very complex system, not only naturally,

502
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.693
but socially as well.

503
00:26:27.849 --> 00:26:31.500
It also allows us to grow our vocabulary.

504
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:34.350
Remember, I was talking about indigenous literacy, right?

505
00:26:34.350 --> 00:26:38.096
We lack the vocabulary to read our landscapes.

506
00:26:38.096 --> 00:26:42.450
And by opening up the conversations to other users,

507
00:26:42.450 --> 00:26:45.330
to other people that exist in these spaces

508
00:26:45.330 --> 00:26:46.770
and not seeing it through one lens,

509
00:26:46.770 --> 00:26:50.430
you start to broaden your vocabulary base as well, right?

510
00:26:50.430 --> 00:26:54.930
You see from a non fisherman point talking to fishermen,

511
00:26:54.930 --> 00:26:57.779
you see limu beds differently, you see tides differently,

512
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:01.341
you see wave and current action differently.

513
00:27:01.341 --> 00:27:05.376
Hunters, you appreciate rain differently

514
00:27:05.376 --> 00:27:09.112
and fruit fall differently and temperature differently.

515
00:27:09.112 --> 00:27:12.312
So there's that growing of vocabulary

516
00:27:12.312 --> 00:27:14.880
and the existence of vocabulary

517
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.490
changes depending on your relationship to place.

518
00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:18.587
Back to pilina.

519
00:27:22.107 --> 00:27:25.560
The other step in inclusion in our journey

520
00:27:25.560 --> 00:27:29.130
is the utilization of multiple knowledge systems and tools.

521
00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:32.760
And I'm really, really, I stand very strong

522
00:27:32.760 --> 00:27:36.150
on the statement that STEM: science, technology, engineering,

523
00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:37.890
and math does not belong to the west.

524
00:27:37.890 --> 00:27:41.790
And even though we do know this, we tend to use it

525
00:27:41.790 --> 00:27:45.362
as a product of institutions,

526
00:27:45.362 --> 00:27:48.120
as a product of the western world.

527
00:27:48.120 --> 00:27:49.710
And just wanting to really be clear

528
00:27:49.710 --> 00:27:52.170
that every culture in the world has STEM.

529
00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:54.540
We all have our science, our inquiry of the world,

530
00:27:54.540 --> 00:27:55.560
and how we define it.

531
00:27:55.560 --> 00:27:57.348
We all have technology and how we utilize that

532
00:27:57.348 --> 00:27:59.400
within our spaces.

533
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.620
Engineering, we all have math, right?

534
00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:05.847
So utilizing all of these knowledge systems as tools

535
00:28:05.847 --> 00:28:07.740
are really, really important, because one,

536
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.733
it expands our vocabulary and it helps us

537
00:28:10.733 --> 00:28:13.110
understand the world around us

538
00:28:13.110 --> 00:28:14.310
through, through many lenses,

539
00:28:14.310 --> 00:28:15.933
again, growing the pilina.

540
00:28:19.469 --> 00:28:22.710
And the last, but actually the most important, I believe,

541
00:28:22.710 --> 00:28:27.120
is revisiting and redefining our narratives and beliefs.

542
00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:28.503
What's the story?

543
00:28:29.454 --> 00:28:30.870
Whose is it?

544
00:28:30.870 --> 00:28:32.850
And who does it belong to?

545
00:28:32.850 --> 00:28:35.956
So I think we're gonna have a poll go out right now,

546
00:28:35.956 --> 00:28:40.650
(speaking in Hawaiian) and I have a question.

547
00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:42.060
Excuse me?

548
00:28:42.060 --> 00:28:42.893
Go ahead.

549
00:28:42.893 --> 00:28:43.911
Sorry, go ahead.

550
00:28:43.911 --> 00:28:45.504
We have a poll, right?

551
00:28:45.504 --> 00:28:47.169
<v Malia>We do.</v>

552
00:28:47.169 --> 00:28:48.690
<v ->Okay, awesome.</v>

553
00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:53.640
So the question is, what is the story

554
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.840
and who does it belong to?

555
00:28:54.840 --> 00:28:58.402
So the story, I want you guys to think about healthy.

556
00:28:58.402 --> 00:29:00.540
And look at these four pictures

557
00:29:00.540 --> 00:29:02.850
and I want you to tell me which picture

558
00:29:02.850 --> 00:29:04.443
represents healthy.

559
00:29:05.610 --> 00:29:08.560
We all have a story in our head of what healthy looks like.

560
00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.180
<v Malia>All righty, so you guys take a really good look</v>

561
00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:16.530
at these photos, because this is gonna be part of the poll.

562
00:29:16.530 --> 00:29:19.887
So go ahead and select your answer.

563
00:29:19.887 --> 00:29:22.983
Which image shows that healthy shoreline.

564
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.750
So we have about a quarter of you have voted.

565
00:29:27.750 --> 00:29:30.780
We're gonna spend about another couple of seconds

566
00:29:30.780 --> 00:29:33.210
to give you guys a chance

567
00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:38.210
and I'm gonna shut down the poll in about three, two, one

568
00:29:40.530 --> 00:29:44.610
and let us see what our audience thinks, Pelika.

569
00:29:44.610 --> 00:29:46.413
I'll share the results with you.

570
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.900
So for your information, look at all of that!

571
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:55.860
66% that said all of them.

572
00:29:55.860 --> 00:29:57.000
Are they correct?

573
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.500
<v ->Oh, that's so awesome!</v>

574
00:29:58.500 --> 00:29:59.333
Yes.

575
00:29:59.333 --> 00:30:03.930
So if you'd pick number five, all of them, you are correct.

576
00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:04.800
And you know what?

577
00:30:04.800 --> 00:30:07.140
It's really, really funny that,

578
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.710
and I'm super happy about that poll,

579
00:30:10.710 --> 00:30:12.210
because about five years ago,

580
00:30:12.210 --> 00:30:14.567
almost a hundred percent of people

581
00:30:14.567 --> 00:30:17.183
when asked that question would say number two,

582
00:30:17.183 --> 00:30:21.658
because we all look at number two, that lushness, right?

583
00:30:21.658 --> 00:30:25.770
As a healthy ecosystem and a healthy shoreline.

584
00:30:25.770 --> 00:30:28.205
But in actuality, all four pictures

585
00:30:28.205 --> 00:30:32.520
represent health depending on season.

586
00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:36.929
And it's really great to acknowledge and to accept

587
00:30:36.929 --> 00:30:40.648
and know what naturally is supposed to be happening,

588
00:30:40.648 --> 00:30:42.330
not only on our shorelines,

589
00:30:42.330 --> 00:30:44.970
but if we take this idea of health

590
00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:46.320
and we put it on ourselves

591
00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:48.990
and we kind of feel like number one, right?

592
00:30:48.990 --> 00:30:52.204
Real sparse and a little dried up,

593
00:30:52.204 --> 00:30:54.319
is that really an unhealthy state

594
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.320
or is it just a natural healthy place to be

595
00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:00.870
in the swing of life, right?

596
00:31:00.870 --> 00:31:03.451
Another thing to think about on the shoreline

597
00:31:03.451 --> 00:31:07.710
with these pictures is if our managers,

598
00:31:07.710 --> 00:31:10.860
and unfortunately it's less and less today,

599
00:31:10.860 --> 00:31:15.060
but unfortunately before, if our managers were to come in

600
00:31:15.060 --> 00:31:16.590
and some of our families still do this,

601
00:31:16.590 --> 00:31:17.670
they come in on one

602
00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:21.291
and they see this really desolate, really dried up,

603
00:31:21.291 --> 00:31:24.068
the limu has all dried back and they see that,

604
00:31:24.068 --> 00:31:26.400
they get really scared and they try to force it

605
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.240
to look like number two.

606
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.140
So we start to put rules and regulations,

607
00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:33.956
and we set the alarms for emergency care

608
00:31:33.956 --> 00:31:36.690
and we do more damage than good.

609
00:31:36.690 --> 00:31:40.210
And I think that's the point is to understand that story.

610
00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:41.250
So, healthy.

611
00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:42.783
Congratulations you guys.

612
00:31:45.270 --> 00:31:47.294
But what else?

613
00:31:47.294 --> 00:31:51.090
What other stories do we have?

614
00:31:51.090 --> 00:31:53.126
What other stories do we hold

615
00:31:53.126 --> 00:31:56.160
and who do they belong to, right?

616
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.480
We have the healthy story.

617
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:58.800
We have smart story.

618
00:31:58.800 --> 00:32:00.300
We have poor.

619
00:32:00.300 --> 00:32:02.400
We have disadvantaged.

620
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:03.750
And we have productive,

621
00:32:03.750 --> 00:32:05.820
what are those stories, right?

622
00:32:05.820 --> 00:32:07.499
We hear productive a lot.

623
00:32:07.499 --> 00:32:12.499
If you are in indigenous conversations a lot,

624
00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:17.163
I hear poor and disadvantaged way too much.

625
00:32:18.392 --> 00:32:23.392
If you are a parent, you hear smart all the time

626
00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:28.050
or comparing smarts of our children.

627
00:32:28.050 --> 00:32:32.562
And that follows our people through their whole life.

628
00:32:32.562 --> 00:32:36.390
And what are those stories and where do they come from?

629
00:32:36.390 --> 00:32:38.460
And I wanna give an example of poor disadvantage.

630
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.520
I was in a workshop and we had

631
00:32:41.520 --> 00:32:45.660
some Native American aunties, if you will,

632
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:50.310
talking about their roles in leadership

633
00:32:50.310 --> 00:32:52.907
of bringing production, if you will,

634
00:32:52.907 --> 00:32:54.540
back to their communities.

635
00:32:54.540 --> 00:32:56.912
And they talked about how their grandparents

636
00:32:56.912 --> 00:33:00.900
were poor and disadvantaged and

637
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:02.725
they defined it and described it as,

638
00:33:02.725 --> 00:33:05.850
"oh, my grandfather had to wake up really early

639
00:33:05.850 --> 00:33:08.855
and need to go out and fetch the water from the river

640
00:33:08.855 --> 00:33:11.880
and feed the chickens and do all of these chores."

641
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.497
And in the back of my head I'm sitting back and going,

642
00:33:14.497 --> 00:33:17.040
"oh, that sounds pretty cool to me," right?

643
00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:18.810
So you know, whose story is it?

644
00:33:18.810 --> 00:33:22.650
I think our people would be more rich.

645
00:33:22.650 --> 00:33:25.110
If they all had to wake up early and go get their own water,

646
00:33:25.110 --> 00:33:28.010
I think we'd have a different appreciation of our resources,

647
00:33:28.010 --> 00:33:30.210
appreciation of life in general,

648
00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:32.310
of collective contribution, right?

649
00:33:32.310 --> 00:33:33.600
So there's all of these lessons

650
00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:36.090
that are buried in very simple stories

651
00:33:36.090 --> 00:33:37.320
that we carry around us.

652
00:33:37.320 --> 00:33:39.992
So recalibrating and redefining and revisiting

653
00:33:39.992 --> 00:33:43.563
these narratives and beliefs are really, really important.

654
00:33:46.170 --> 00:33:51.170
So I wanna jump into ancestral instructions.

655
00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:55.240
We were left with so many instructions

656
00:33:57.510 --> 00:34:02.490
that sometimes it's really, really hard

657
00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:03.660
to wrap our heads around.

658
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:06.120
Sometimes it's hard for us to imagine

659
00:34:06.120 --> 00:34:09.755
because we have this long history of influences

660
00:34:09.755 --> 00:34:13.766
and sometimes application looks a little messy,

661
00:34:13.766 --> 00:34:18.766
but hey, that's the journey and that's the guidance

662
00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:22.230
that we have.

663
00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:23.820
We have all the instructions

664
00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:27.090
and we're supposed to be experimenting and going into it.

665
00:34:27.090 --> 00:34:30.840
So I'm gonna pull us into context.

666
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.760
We have instructions that have us in the context

667
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.120
of season, in moon cycles, that are in the context

668
00:34:39.120 --> 00:34:41.760
of place, in our own life styles.

669
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.210
And then you also play a role in the context

670
00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:47.613
of how these instructions play out.

671
00:34:48.551 --> 00:34:50.520
And I'm gonna get into these tools,

672
00:34:50.520 --> 00:34:52.020
but before we get into the tools,

673
00:34:52.020 --> 00:34:55.590
I wanted to kind of have you take a look at the screen,

674
00:34:55.590 --> 00:34:59.203
at this tide chart calendar.

675
00:34:59.203 --> 00:35:02.550
So early on in about 2009,

676
00:35:02.550 --> 00:35:05.070
we started to look into, excuse me,

677
00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:07.110
starting to look into seasons

678
00:35:07.110 --> 00:35:10.744
and wanted to explore kilo

679
00:35:10.744 --> 00:35:13.425
through what was happening seasonally.

680
00:35:13.425 --> 00:35:14.940
And about the same time,

681
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:19.320
we had a lot of moon cycle initiatives happening,

682
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.840
which are beautiful in itself, right?

683
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.230
We have all of this movement, but we had to choose between

684
00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:30.120
moon and season and we wanted to go into moon,

685
00:35:30.120 --> 00:35:32.730
but something kept pulling us back into season.

686
00:35:32.730 --> 00:35:37.650
So in order to show how moons behave within seasons,

687
00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:39.990
because again, right, there's all of these partnerships

688
00:35:39.990 --> 00:35:41.603
that happen in the instructions.

689
00:35:41.603 --> 00:35:44.723
We have kupuna that talk about moon phases

690
00:35:44.723 --> 00:35:47.760
advising the work that we do.

691
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.765
But if you don't put it into the context of season,

692
00:35:49.765 --> 00:35:54.765
then we don't optimize the production if you will,

693
00:35:56.670 --> 00:35:59.313
or optimize the win.

694
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:05.420
So in this chart, I took a tide chart from a calendar,

695
00:36:06.270 --> 00:36:09.180
I cut it up from new moon to your left,

696
00:36:09.180 --> 00:36:11.563
full moon in the middle, and new moon to the right,

697
00:36:11.563 --> 00:36:14.190
the January up at the top, right,

698
00:36:14.190 --> 00:36:15.540
so it's halfway through our winter.

699
00:36:15.540 --> 00:36:18.218
So if you can notice, there's winter at the top and bottom,

700
00:36:18.218 --> 00:36:20.062
and took it across the whole year.

701
00:36:20.062 --> 00:36:23.834
And if you notice, I have a red circle and a green circle

702
00:36:23.834 --> 00:36:26.520
on there in just winter and spring,

703
00:36:26.520 --> 00:36:28.350
in new moons and full moons.

704
00:36:28.350 --> 00:36:31.289
And that's when the tide went above the second line.

705
00:36:31.289 --> 00:36:33.972
I just looked at the chart.

706
00:36:33.972 --> 00:36:37.770
And that's extreme highs and extreme lows.

707
00:36:37.770 --> 00:36:40.472
So the consistently, we have full and new moons

708
00:36:40.472 --> 00:36:43.324
that have extreme highs and extreme lows,

709
00:36:43.324 --> 00:36:47.582
but they're only happening during winter and summer.

710
00:36:47.582 --> 00:36:50.490
The other really cool thing about these highs and lows

711
00:36:50.490 --> 00:36:53.940
is in Hawai'i we have the two high tides and two low tides.

712
00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:57.146
The highest of the high tides in the winter months

713
00:36:57.146 --> 00:37:01.230
happen in the AM hours and the highest of the high tides

714
00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:05.070
in the summer months happen in the PM hours.

715
00:37:05.070 --> 00:37:08.430
So when we talk about this moon phase,

716
00:37:08.430 --> 00:37:09.900
which might be māhealani

717
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:11.970
and you're gonna see high tides in the morning,

718
00:37:11.970 --> 00:37:15.390
that's only true during the context of season.

719
00:37:15.390 --> 00:37:16.290
And then it flips.

720
00:37:16.290 --> 00:37:19.290
And then it doesn't happen during spring and fall, right?

721
00:37:19.290 --> 00:37:21.150
You have this wacky thing that happens

722
00:37:21.150 --> 00:37:24.240
in the middle of our equinoxes, our spring and fall,

723
00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:27.330
and then it flips to summer to a high tide in the afternoon.

724
00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:29.400
So that changes a lot of behavior, right?

725
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.890
If you're fishing, if I'm trying to cross the river

726
00:37:31.890 --> 00:37:35.010
to get to my lo'i, all of those high low tides matter

727
00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:38.169
and what time of the year, the time of the month,

728
00:37:38.169 --> 00:37:40.230
they all matter.

729
00:37:40.230 --> 00:37:41.684
So just in that simplicity,

730
00:37:41.684 --> 00:37:45.069
there's the context of season and moon.

731
00:37:45.069 --> 00:37:46.152
There's also this mooshing

732
00:37:46.152 --> 00:37:48.090
that happens in the spring, right?

733
00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:49.770
We have two high tides, two low tides

734
00:37:49.770 --> 00:37:51.996
that merge to become one really long high tide

735
00:37:51.996 --> 00:37:55.410
and one really low tide that only happens

736
00:37:55.410 --> 00:37:57.963
in ʻole moons in the spring and the fall, right?

737
00:37:59.218 --> 00:38:02.760
So moons have kind of like a similar behavior

738
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.860
across the year, but they go into

739
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:09.860
these extremes if you will, or these really,

740
00:38:09.958 --> 00:38:12.047
what would the word be?

741
00:38:12.047 --> 00:38:14.850
Specific behaviors depending on the season.

742
00:38:14.850 --> 00:38:16.680
So that was really, really important for us

743
00:38:16.680 --> 00:38:18.300
to kind of take into consideration

744
00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:20.730
while we developed some of the tools

745
00:38:20.730 --> 00:38:23.250
that we wanted to use to help us again,

746
00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:26.658
broaden our vocabulary and be better kilo.

747
00:38:26.658 --> 00:38:30.270
So in that recognition we've developed,

748
00:38:30.270 --> 00:38:32.070
the first tool I wanna introduce is huli'ia

749
00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:34.080
and it helps us track seasons.

750
00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:37.200
It lets a place, that knowledge repository, our library,

751
00:38:37.200 --> 00:38:39.270
contribute to the narrative,

752
00:38:39.270 --> 00:38:40.980
allows us to read our library

753
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:43.650
and address this indigenous literacy.

754
00:38:43.650 --> 00:38:46.924
What it does, we record the data on paper,

755
00:38:46.924 --> 00:38:49.680
we do that, but it's not the end goal.

756
00:38:49.680 --> 00:38:52.050
It's a byproduct of a broader end goal, right?

757
00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.120
The product for us is you and me.

758
00:38:54.120 --> 00:38:57.360
We want to build communities of people of place.

759
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:02.360
We want to build communities that are indigenous literate.

760
00:39:02.490 --> 00:39:07.490
Yeah, we are in a world now that values a little too much,

761
00:39:08.310 --> 00:39:10.920
I think, the things that we put on paper.

762
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.100
It's valuable, but so are the abilities to memorize,

763
00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:17.010
the ability to internally analyze.

764
00:39:17.010 --> 00:39:20.610
The ability to strengthen the muscles

765
00:39:20.610 --> 00:39:24.060
that this current system doesn't allow us to strengthen.

766
00:39:24.060 --> 00:39:28.800
And huli'ia is this tool to help us do that, right?

767
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.428
So building memory, creating conversations.

768
00:39:31.428 --> 00:39:33.720
So what does huli'ia look like?

769
00:39:33.720 --> 00:39:37.057
We meet minimally once or twice a lunar month,

770
00:39:37.057 --> 00:39:39.210
we do a group activity.

771
00:39:39.210 --> 00:39:40.860
So this is not going in your corner,

772
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:42.630
writing down your own observations,

773
00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:44.130
it's about the sharing.

774
00:39:44.130 --> 00:39:46.380
And we discussed dominant behaviors.

775
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:48.870
Not so much that it rained yesterday and it's sunny today

776
00:39:48.870 --> 00:39:51.090
and then it rained again and then it was sunny again.

777
00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:54.089
It was really about dominantly over the month,

778
00:39:54.089 --> 00:39:57.540
what did we, ʻike maka, what did we observe

779
00:39:57.540 --> 00:39:59.103
with our own senses?

780
00:40:00.139 --> 00:40:03.090
If it did rain and sun and rain and sun.

781
00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:06.753
That's what we call bipolar activity in weather.

782
00:40:07.688 --> 00:40:10.230
So we record our dominant behaviors

783
00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.170
that we recognize like fruiting and seeding,

784
00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:16.200
and weather, south winds coming a lot,

785
00:40:16.200 --> 00:40:18.000
north winds coming a lot, et cetera.

786
00:40:19.830 --> 00:40:22.911
We recalibrate to each other in that discussion.

787
00:40:22.911 --> 00:40:26.220
Sometimes some people say it's hot, sometimes it's cold.

788
00:40:26.220 --> 00:40:28.050
And then we're forced to kind of recalibrate

789
00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:30.120
to what that means to the group.

790
00:40:30.120 --> 00:40:33.570
We also, in that sharing, are able to expand

791
00:40:33.570 --> 00:40:36.750
our experience base because not everybody sees the same.

792
00:40:36.750 --> 00:40:41.490
So everybody kind of beautifully adds their own,

793
00:40:41.490 --> 00:40:43.410
adds at least one new observation.

794
00:40:43.410 --> 00:40:45.360
So if you have a group of 10,

795
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.600
you walk away with minimally nine new things

796
00:40:48.600 --> 00:40:49.433
that you're looking for

797
00:40:49.433 --> 00:40:51.750
that you've never ever looked at before.

798
00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:53.850
And I think that is kind of the beautiful thing.

799
00:40:53.850 --> 00:40:57.210
If doing this every single month, by month three,

800
00:40:57.210 --> 00:40:59.790
you are seeing more than you could imagine

801
00:40:59.790 --> 00:41:01.190
and you're just exposed to so much.

802
00:41:01.190 --> 00:41:04.438
So that conversation is really, really key.

803
00:41:04.438 --> 00:41:06.614
And then we have one collective record

804
00:41:06.614 --> 00:41:09.920
that every month gets added to and added to.

805
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.390
What huli'ia does not look like.

806
00:41:12.390 --> 00:41:13.800
So we don't do, again, like I said,

807
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.810
we don't do personal journals or data sheets,

808
00:41:15.810 --> 00:41:18.956
because there's a sharing that is absolutely more important

809
00:41:18.956 --> 00:41:21.390
than writing it down.

810
00:41:21.390 --> 00:41:25.650
And we don't designate kilo times or days.

811
00:41:25.650 --> 00:41:27.100
And the reason we don't do that is,

812
00:41:27.100 --> 00:41:30.300
again, we're trying to build the capacity of our people,

813
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:32.820
of our communities to pay attention.

814
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:36.270
And when unfortunately, when you designate a time

815
00:41:36.270 --> 00:41:38.280
to do something, you also designate

816
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.350
a time to not do something.

817
00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:42.330
So when, unless you're a navigator

818
00:41:42.330 --> 00:41:44.205
or you're trying to figure out something

819
00:41:44.205 --> 00:41:46.710
like really, really specifically,

820
00:41:46.710 --> 00:41:50.670
the broader kilo is just doing what you do.

821
00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:53.026
Go out in the world, go do what you gotta do.

822
00:41:53.026 --> 00:41:56.220
And you slowly, even though it's not as quick

823
00:41:56.220 --> 00:41:57.840
as a lot of people want it to be,

824
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.990
slowly just naturally start to reflect on,

825
00:42:00.990 --> 00:42:03.180
ooh, I didn't notice the wind today, right?

826
00:42:03.180 --> 00:42:05.533
So we don't do that designation

827
00:42:05.533 --> 00:42:10.440
because we really want people to be engaged 24/7

828
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.070
and not on a clock in and clock out way.

829
00:42:14.070 --> 00:42:16.050
So this is a really, really old data sheet.

830
00:42:16.050 --> 00:42:17.760
It's the first one that we created

831
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.686
in like 2009 or '08 or or whatever.

832
00:42:20.686 --> 00:42:24.120
And it's just really funny,

833
00:42:24.120 --> 00:42:27.324
'cause those places to write are way, way, way too small.

834
00:42:27.324 --> 00:42:29.610
But it's a facilitation sheet,

835
00:42:29.610 --> 00:42:32.190
it's something that one facilitator runs everybody through

836
00:42:32.190 --> 00:42:34.050
and we have a discussion and we take notes

837
00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:35.880
and we log everything down

838
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.490
and then we just have this conversation over and over.

839
00:42:38.490 --> 00:42:41.700
And this master is meant to grow with everybody,

840
00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:45.090
because Big Island, there's not a lot of river systems,

841
00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:47.010
but it doesn't mean we don't want to consider it,

842
00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:49.710
because once in a while those rivers flow, right?

843
00:42:49.710 --> 00:42:51.900
Over here, we don't have lava fields on Kauai,

844
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:56.130
but we don't wanna take it out of the conversation because

845
00:42:56.130 --> 00:42:57.720
there are some places that,

846
00:42:57.720 --> 00:43:00.690
and some observations that could bring some insight into the

847
00:43:00.690 --> 00:43:02.493
broader system.

848
00:43:03.555 --> 00:43:06.916
So once you go through all of this and you recalibrate in

849
00:43:06.916 --> 00:43:11.580
to each other in the world around you, you start to read,

850
00:43:11.580 --> 00:43:16.410
if you will, the world starts talking to you, right?

851
00:43:16.410 --> 00:43:18.930
We build our vocabulary and just a reminder,

852
00:43:18.930 --> 00:43:22.590
we're not supposed to see what our ancestors saw, right?

853
00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:25.320
We have a lot of conversations about

854
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.080
if we don't see what they saw pre-contact,

855
00:43:28.080 --> 00:43:30.510
we're not Hawaiian enough or we're seeing it wrong.

856
00:43:30.510 --> 00:43:32.130
And that's absolutely wrong.

857
00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:34.500
The communities have changed so much since then

858
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:36.720
that the storytellers have changed.

859
00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:39.300
Some are still the same and we value that,

860
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:40.133
but some are different.

861
00:43:40.133 --> 00:43:43.650
It doesn't mean the story is important to hold onto.

862
00:43:43.650 --> 00:43:45.462
There's still stories being told

863
00:43:45.462 --> 00:43:48.360
and we're still able to read that.

864
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.490
We're supposed to see how they saw.

865
00:43:50.490 --> 00:43:51.960
And that's really important.

866
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.970
So this is Hāʻena during the winter, right,

867
00:43:53.970 --> 00:43:56.190
lots of salty breeze, temperatures are cold,

868
00:43:56.190 --> 00:43:59.250
flowering puakenikeni, shoreline smells like limu,

869
00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:00.759
large limu kohu patches,

870
00:44:00.759 --> 00:44:03.180
aholehole and manini have fat gonads.

871
00:44:03.180 --> 00:44:06.300
A lot of recruitment for ʻopihi, et cetera, right?

872
00:44:06.300 --> 00:44:08.862
And these really bold storytellers

873
00:44:08.862 --> 00:44:12.423
start popping out by season and by place.

874
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.840
And because of these, and here we fall

875
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:23.840
on another ancestral instruction with ʻŌlelo no'eau.

876
00:44:23.970 --> 00:44:25.380
So I'm sorry, I'm gonna go back here.

877
00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:29.100
So we have all of these dominant things

878
00:44:29.100 --> 00:44:32.100
now popping out at us and now we have ʻŌlelo No'eau.

879
00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:34.560
And historically we have these beautiful ʻŌlelo No'eau

880
00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:36.600
pala ka hala, momona ka ha'uke'uke.

881
00:44:36.600 --> 00:44:39.134
That comes from that slide before, right?

882
00:44:39.134 --> 00:44:39.967
They made observations.

883
00:44:39.967 --> 00:44:41.850
They saw dominant things happening.

884
00:44:41.850 --> 00:44:44.430
And then they were able to take that wisdom,

885
00:44:44.430 --> 00:44:49.430
put it in a easy memory and pass it forward.

886
00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:52.110
But the question I ask everybody is,

887
00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:55.955
are these ʻŌlelo No'eau like pala ka hala momona ka ha'uke'uke,

888
00:44:55.955 --> 00:44:58.140
which brings us to our second poll question,

889
00:44:58.140 --> 00:45:02.160
are they ʻŌlelo, are they no'eau, or are they both?

890
00:45:02.160 --> 00:45:05.849
So ʻŌlelo, concepts, ideas, some things we say,

891
00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:09.176
and no'eau, that wisdom and wise.

892
00:45:09.176 --> 00:45:12.090
So are they something we say, are they wise,

893
00:45:12.090 --> 00:45:14.070
or are they both?

894
00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:16.863
And I'm gonna let Malia throw that poll up there.

895
00:45:17.869 --> 00:45:22.869
<v Malia>Alrighty friends, let's get this poll launched.</v>

896
00:45:22.991 --> 00:45:25.667
All right, so ʻŌlelo or no'eau,

897
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.150
go ahead and then register your vote.

898
00:45:30.150 --> 00:45:34.833
Are they ʻŌlelo, are they no'eau, are they both?

899
00:45:35.827 --> 00:45:38.310
I see about half of you have voted.

900
00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:40.848
You guys are quick this time!

901
00:45:40.848 --> 00:45:45.397
All right, I'm gonna shut down the poll in three, two, one

902
00:45:46.560 --> 00:45:49.173
and let's get those results for you, Pelika.

903
00:45:51.238 --> 00:45:52.833
Oh, interesting!

904
00:45:54.769 --> 00:45:58.267
95% of you said both.

905
00:45:58.267 --> 00:46:00.540
<v ->Nice!</v>

906
00:46:00.540 --> 00:46:05.070
Okay, so I'm gonna like flip, spin all of this on everybody.

907
00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.350
So what makes it ʻŌlelo?

908
00:46:07.350 --> 00:46:09.960
All of you are right, actually.

909
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.833
Some are just ʻŌlelo, some are just things that we say.

910
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:21.180
Some are no'eau, some are wise, and some are are both.

911
00:46:21.180 --> 00:46:24.570
And the reason why I say that is

912
00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:28.220
let's look at pala ka hala momona ka ha'uke'uke.

913
00:46:29.250 --> 00:46:33.090
Who eats ha'uke'uke, right?

914
00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:38.090
Who has hala in their community as a storyteller?

915
00:46:38.700 --> 00:46:41.572
We don't have the hala groves that used to be

916
00:46:41.572 --> 00:46:45.858
and sometimes we don't live around them.

917
00:46:45.858 --> 00:46:50.550
So I think the lesson for us is it is an ʻŌlelo

918
00:46:50.550 --> 00:46:54.690
and just an ʻŌlelo if it doesn't exist

919
00:46:54.690 --> 00:46:56.340
within our world at the moment,

920
00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:58.650
if they're not your storytellers, right?

921
00:46:58.650 --> 00:47:01.710
There are places where pala ka hala momona ka ha'uke'uke,

922
00:47:01.710 --> 00:47:03.780
like Kawaihae on the Big Island,

923
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:04.623
that that's just an ʻŌlelo.

924
00:47:04.623 --> 00:47:07.033
It's just something people say.

925
00:47:07.033 --> 00:47:09.750
There's wisdom in it, but it's just something you say

926
00:47:09.750 --> 00:47:14.750
because there are no hala storytellers in Kawaihae, right?

927
00:47:14.891 --> 00:47:17.520
But what are the storytellers in Kawaihae

928
00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:20.193
that tell us momona ka ha'uke'uke?

929
00:47:21.608 --> 00:47:24.690
One, Kawaihae it is the crown royal,

930
00:47:24.690 --> 00:47:27.720
crown royal crown, ooh, that's where my head is going.

931
00:47:27.720 --> 00:47:30.990
The crown flower plant.

932
00:47:30.990 --> 00:47:33.300
When the seed pod starts to break and flutter

933
00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:35.100
all over the place, that white fluff,

934
00:47:35.100 --> 00:47:38.889
that's the time when momona ka ha'uke'uke, right?

935
00:47:38.889 --> 00:47:43.889
We have other ʻŌlelo no'eau and (speaking in Hawaiian),

936
00:47:44.648 --> 00:47:47.949
I'm sure if you are ocean person in Hawai'i

937
00:47:47.949 --> 00:47:50.580
and like wana, you've heard that before.

938
00:47:50.580 --> 00:47:52.890
Well, I challenge anybody to tell me

939
00:47:52.890 --> 00:47:53.940
where neneleau is.

940
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:55.650
I've only seen a neneleau grove

941
00:47:55.650 --> 00:47:58.530
once in my life, not while it's blooming.

942
00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:00.780
So for me, that is just something I say.

943
00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:02.287
It's just an ʻŌlelo.

944
00:48:02.287 --> 00:48:04.442
It becomes the ʻŌlelo no'eau

945
00:48:04.442 --> 00:48:06.270
when saying when I can use it

946
00:48:06.270 --> 00:48:08.100
and it's a storyteller within my life

947
00:48:08.100 --> 00:48:10.754
and I wanna just in include everybody in that

948
00:48:10.754 --> 00:48:13.830
to kind of again, what are the stories we tell ourselves,

949
00:48:13.830 --> 00:48:16.469
and it's okay to have other storytellers.

950
00:48:16.469 --> 00:48:18.300
So let's move on.

951
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:21.030
So huli'ia has taken us on this beautiful journey.

952
00:48:21.030 --> 00:48:22.740
We were able to do about four years

953
00:48:22.740 --> 00:48:24.300
at Kalaemanō and four years

954
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:28.696
with Kure atoll and look at storytellers

955
00:48:28.696 --> 00:48:32.730
and through those years that we continually recalibrate

956
00:48:32.730 --> 00:48:34.380
and recheck to see if they're still

957
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:37.800
the continued storytellers, we get ʻŌlelo no'eau,

958
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.450
those saying that are not just said,

959
00:48:39.450 --> 00:48:43.319
that they add wisdom to our daily life and they advise us.

960
00:48:43.319 --> 00:48:46.627
So Ke piʻi nā nalu ʻulupā pōhaku,

961
00:48:46.627 --> 00:48:48.418
pulu ka papa a ulu ka pāheʻe which talks about

962
00:48:48.418 --> 00:48:50.040
when the boulder crashing waves arrive,

963
00:48:50.040 --> 00:48:53.160
the papa becomes wet and limu pahe'e grows.

964
00:48:53.160 --> 00:48:55.350
And this tells us a whole lot of things.

965
00:48:55.350 --> 00:48:57.150
It tells us that it can get really, really rough

966
00:48:57.150 --> 00:48:59.190
at Kalaemanō, that it's rough enough

967
00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:02.250
to tear pieces of the cliff and throw them on the shore,

968
00:49:02.250 --> 00:49:04.846
which we've actually witnessed.

969
00:49:04.846 --> 00:49:07.141
It talks about pahe'e being there

970
00:49:07.141 --> 00:49:11.010
and limu pahe'e is a limu all of us did not know

971
00:49:11.010 --> 00:49:13.964
until Kalaemanō introduced us to it.

972
00:49:13.964 --> 00:49:18.330
Tells us the season of when we like to go down there

973
00:49:18.330 --> 00:49:21.390
especially to harvest and share that out,

974
00:49:21.390 --> 00:49:24.420
because a lot of our kupuna remember limu pahe'e

975
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:26.100
but don't have access to it anymore

976
00:49:26.100 --> 00:49:27.960
because they don't know where it grows

977
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.600
because a lot of people don't go shoreline walking

978
00:49:30.600 --> 00:49:32.400
during really, really rough weather.

979
00:49:33.765 --> 00:49:36.570
We also were able to work for four years

980
00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:40.543
with Kure Atoll or Hōlanikū with their field crew

981
00:49:40.543 --> 00:49:42.793
up in our northern atolls and

982
00:49:42.793 --> 00:49:45.892
Hōʻea mai ka ʻewaʻewa,

983
00:49:45.892 --> 00:49:48.485
kokoke ka haʻalele ʻana o nā mea hoʻoilo

984
00:49:48.485 --> 00:49:51.270
which is a beautiful storyteller of the 'ewa'ewa,

985
00:49:51.270 --> 00:49:53.846
which is a sooty tern and as they arrive,

986
00:49:53.846 --> 00:49:57.930
winter is on its way out, and we know we're coming into

987
00:49:57.930 --> 00:49:59.880
the transition into summer.

988
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.790
So we have stories continually being told to us

989
00:50:02.790 --> 00:50:04.350
and our job is to recalibrate

990
00:50:04.350 --> 00:50:07.685
and to update the storytellers

991
00:50:07.685 --> 00:50:11.190
because our landscapes are different.

992
00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:12.960
Whether we like it or not, they're different.

993
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.130
We have different storytellers.

994
00:50:14.130 --> 00:50:17.910
Our winds have shifted, because our forests have shifted.

995
00:50:17.910 --> 00:50:19.530
We're not gonna see the same kind of weather

996
00:50:19.530 --> 00:50:20.580
and then we have climate change.

997
00:50:20.580 --> 00:50:23.187
So it's like, you know, there's a bunch of things

998
00:50:23.187 --> 00:50:28.140
that are changing and those storytellers

999
00:50:28.140 --> 00:50:29.760
are really important to acknowledge

1000
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.683
and to, again, continually read.

1001
00:50:32.790 --> 00:50:36.960
So this is the full one of the byproducts of huli'ia

1002
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:41.310
which is this visual story of Kalaemanō

1003
00:50:41.310 --> 00:50:43.059
talking about how the sunset colors change

1004
00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:45.330
to the rising and setting of our suns

1005
00:50:45.330 --> 00:50:47.250
and the location on Mauna Kea,

1006
00:50:47.250 --> 00:50:49.304
which is at the piko during the equinoxes,

1007
00:50:49.304 --> 00:50:51.737
how our shorelines change,

1008
00:50:51.737 --> 00:50:53.975
and then how the recruitment of our intertidal species

1009
00:50:53.975 --> 00:50:57.420
happen with spawning, et cetera, et cetera.

1010
00:50:57.420 --> 00:51:00.390
And then also the story of Hōlanikū,

1011
00:51:00.390 --> 00:51:02.640
of the flowering plants that happen there.

1012
00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:06.046
And these beautiful scents that kind of dominate seasonally

1013
00:51:06.046 --> 00:51:08.738
that align with different,

1014
00:51:08.738 --> 00:51:12.246
with some of our manu kai

1015
00:51:12.246 --> 00:51:17.010
that are the majority out at Kure Atoll.

1016
00:51:18.492 --> 00:51:21.330
So that's Huli 'Ia, and that's one of the tools

1017
00:51:21.330 --> 00:51:26.330
to really have us understand and engage in space

1018
00:51:26.430 --> 00:51:28.620
and let us story contribute to its story

1019
00:51:28.620 --> 00:51:31.740
and trying to get rid of those narratives.

1020
00:51:31.740 --> 00:51:34.680
The second tool I kind of wanted to introduce to you,

1021
00:51:34.680 --> 00:51:36.120
and I know we're running out of time,

1022
00:51:36.120 --> 00:51:40.356
but I kind of wanna get through this is Ku'u Mo'o ʻŌlelo.

1023
00:51:40.356 --> 00:51:41.280
So if we can go back to ʻāina,

1024
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.330
we can go back to understanding that we are ʻāina,

1025
00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:48.480
and we feed and the ability for us to feed

1026
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.652
depends on the ability to be fed

1027
00:51:50.652 --> 00:51:52.950
and to understand our productivity

1028
00:51:52.950 --> 00:51:56.100
and understand our thrivingness, if you will.

1029
00:51:56.100 --> 00:52:00.810
So now that we understand seasons

1030
00:52:00.810 --> 00:52:04.710
and one way to track and to really understand

1031
00:52:04.710 --> 00:52:07.290
what's happening, we went into moon cycles.

1032
00:52:07.290 --> 00:52:09.995
And then before blasting it out into practice,

1033
00:52:09.995 --> 00:52:14.995
we wanted to understand how moon phases and seasons

1034
00:52:16.530 --> 00:52:18.630
affected us as ʻāina.

1035
00:52:18.630 --> 00:52:23.063
So I have this really, really smart friend, Naia Lewis.

1036
00:52:23.063 --> 00:52:25.740
She's my birthday super twin.

1037
00:52:25.740 --> 00:52:29.190
And I had developed kind of a tool

1038
00:52:29.190 --> 00:52:31.560
to really look at moon cycles

1039
00:52:31.560 --> 00:52:34.410
and how could I track and assess and analyze

1040
00:52:34.410 --> 00:52:36.390
my own relationship with the moon.

1041
00:52:36.390 --> 00:52:38.553
But she's an art artist, this beautiful artist,

1042
00:52:38.553 --> 00:52:40.020
with this beautiful work

1043
00:52:40.020 --> 00:52:42.388
and mine was just like really, really ugly.

1044
00:52:42.388 --> 00:52:44.370
And I saw her one day and I showed her my work

1045
00:52:44.370 --> 00:52:46.170
and I'm like, "hey, can you make this look nice?"

1046
00:52:46.170 --> 00:52:47.520
And I explained to her what it did

1047
00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:49.326
and she just kind of smirked at me,

1048
00:52:49.326 --> 00:52:51.090
opened up her computer,

1049
00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:53.610
and she had almost exactly what I had,

1050
00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:55.200
but already beautiful.

1051
00:52:55.200 --> 00:52:59.826
So we merged our two tools and we created a journal

1052
00:52:59.826 --> 00:53:02.637
to help us look at our personal story

1053
00:53:02.637 --> 00:53:06.180
and our narrative with the moon and her cycles.

1054
00:53:06.180 --> 00:53:10.050
And through that journey, assess what we tell ourselves,

1055
00:53:10.050 --> 00:53:11.700
the story of production.

1056
00:53:11.700 --> 00:53:14.100
Are there really non-productive times,

1057
00:53:14.100 --> 00:53:15.210
and then really understanding

1058
00:53:15.210 --> 00:53:18.101
like healthy and happy and sad.

1059
00:53:18.101 --> 00:53:21.330
Every state having and contributing

1060
00:53:21.330 --> 00:53:22.743
to production and health.

1061
00:53:24.750 --> 00:53:26.879
So this is our journal.

1062
00:53:26.879 --> 00:53:30.330
I'm old school, so I still like the hard copy

1063
00:53:30.330 --> 00:53:31.770
that I get to write in.

1064
00:53:31.770 --> 00:53:35.400
Naia is releasing the app coming up,

1065
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.190
so keep your eyes out for that if you're interested.

1066
00:53:38.190 --> 00:53:41.280
But it's a way for us to channel your inner geek.

1067
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:45.240
And it's a tool to help us understand our story.

1068
00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:49.410
It's really pushing us to be descriptive and honest

1069
00:53:49.410 --> 00:53:52.680
about ourselves again, right?

1070
00:53:52.680 --> 00:53:56.430
How do we measure and assess ʻāina of ourselves?

1071
00:53:56.430 --> 00:53:59.190
So what it looks like is you have an inside spread,

1072
00:53:59.190 --> 00:54:02.700
two pages, that represent every moon phase.

1073
00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:06.000
And if you aren't, if you're not familiar

1074
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.380
with the Hawaiian words for moon phases,

1075
00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:10.230
because these are in different places,

1076
00:54:10.230 --> 00:54:12.660
there's different names for each moon phase and month,

1077
00:54:12.660 --> 00:54:15.870
we just took the most commonly used one.

1078
00:54:15.870 --> 00:54:18.300
So please feel free to change it if you want,

1079
00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:19.290
but they're numbered also.

1080
00:54:19.290 --> 00:54:22.173
So you can refer to the numbers if you like it that way.

1081
00:54:23.250 --> 00:54:24.960
And so in Makaliʻi,

1082
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.990
in the first month of the year, on a Hilo moon,

1083
00:54:27.990 --> 00:54:31.710
at the end of the day, you kind of journal in your thoughts.

1084
00:54:31.710 --> 00:54:33.398
Like, "today was really slow,

1085
00:54:33.398 --> 00:54:36.090
I had a hard time getting up," you know, blah blah, blah,

1086
00:54:36.090 --> 00:54:37.454
or really energetic.

1087
00:54:37.454 --> 00:54:39.330
And then if you can kind of pay attention

1088
00:54:39.330 --> 00:54:40.560
to the numbers at the end.

1089
00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:42.000
So it's a way for us to assess,

1090
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.520
and I'll get into how that journaling looks after.

1091
00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:46.372
But I wanna go into the numbers.

1092
00:54:46.372 --> 00:54:50.910
So we wanted to, and this is Naia's genius.

1093
00:54:50.910 --> 00:54:55.251
She was like, "let's quantitatively look at this."

1094
00:54:55.251 --> 00:54:57.520
And so we had kino, mana'o and na'au

1095
00:54:58.445 --> 00:55:01.502
as the first three that were brought up.

1096
00:55:01.502 --> 00:55:04.410
And kino is your physical energy,

1097
00:55:04.410 --> 00:55:05.910
mana'o is your mental clarity,

1098
00:55:05.910 --> 00:55:07.530
and na'au is emotional resilience.

1099
00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:10.050
And notice I'm not using negative, positive words,

1100
00:55:10.050 --> 00:55:14.878
because again, all states have a purpose

1101
00:55:14.878 --> 00:55:17.239
in our holistic health.

1102
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.706
So those three, but then over the past four years,

1103
00:55:21.706 --> 00:55:24.900
I've noticed that we have,

1104
00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:26.940
there's other things we wanted to track.

1105
00:55:26.940 --> 00:55:28.350
So there's gender cycles.

1106
00:55:28.350 --> 00:55:29.940
And just because you don't have,

1107
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.466
you're not a wahine,

1108
00:55:31.466 --> 00:55:33.142
and if you're a kāne,

1109
00:55:33.142 --> 00:55:35.246
you also have a gender cycle.

1110
00:55:35.246 --> 00:55:37.530
There's a universal attraction.

1111
00:55:37.530 --> 00:55:40.470
And what I mean by that is the times you leave your house

1112
00:55:40.470 --> 00:55:42.630
and you hit every green light and you go to the store,

1113
00:55:42.630 --> 00:55:44.670
you get good parking, go in a store,

1114
00:55:44.670 --> 00:55:47.807
go straight to the cashier, everything's breezy, easy to go,

1115
00:55:47.807 --> 00:55:50.370
that's higher numbers, right?

1116
00:55:50.370 --> 00:55:51.450
For universal attraction.

1117
00:55:51.450 --> 00:55:53.280
And then there's some days you jump in your car,

1118
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.920
like you almost get hit, you hit every red light,

1119
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.710
you cannot find parking, someone yells at you in the store.

1120
00:55:58.710 --> 00:56:00.570
Yeah, that's the lower numbers.

1121
00:56:00.570 --> 00:56:01.830
And then there's body image.

1122
00:56:01.830 --> 00:56:03.240
And I thought this was really important,

1123
00:56:03.240 --> 00:56:05.730
because I had been on a diet for a really long time

1124
00:56:05.730 --> 00:56:10.730
and I religiously weighed myself and I noticed

1125
00:56:11.190 --> 00:56:14.760
that the number on the scale did not equate

1126
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.760
the way I felt about my body and they had no relationship.

1127
00:56:20.340 --> 00:56:22.260
So I started to track it and I noticed

1128
00:56:22.260 --> 00:56:26.108
that there is a cycle, a body image perception

1129
00:56:26.108 --> 00:56:29.758
in the lunar month, through the lunar month.

1130
00:56:29.758 --> 00:56:34.758
So because I ask people to do this, I did it myself.

1131
00:56:35.310 --> 00:56:37.710
And of course, and I share it openly,

1132
00:56:37.710 --> 00:56:39.966
because I think it's fascinating to see

1133
00:56:39.966 --> 00:56:44.966
what the moon does to us in different states.

1134
00:56:45.333 --> 00:56:47.880
So this is just kino, mana'o, and na'au.

1135
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:50.430
And as you can see, there's kind of squigglies

1136
00:56:50.430 --> 00:56:52.050
and then it goes up squiggly,

1137
00:56:52.050 --> 00:56:53.460
and then it comes down squiggly.

1138
00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:58.460
And what I found is in partnership with the journaling,

1139
00:56:58.620 --> 00:57:01.660
that there are these three windows that pop up for me

1140
00:57:02.610 --> 00:57:05.160
and I share them with others that are doing this as well.

1141
00:57:05.160 --> 00:57:07.830
And what we notice is that everybody pretty much

1142
00:57:07.830 --> 00:57:10.350
has these windows, they just don't align

1143
00:57:10.350 --> 00:57:11.970
on the same moon phases.

1144
00:57:11.970 --> 00:57:13.680
So across the board, similarly,

1145
00:57:13.680 --> 00:57:16.260
we all experience these types of windows.

1146
00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:18.810
They just don't happen at the same time, right?

1147
00:57:18.810 --> 00:57:20.310
So this is another thing, right?

1148
00:57:20.310 --> 00:57:22.920
Within context of season, within context of you,

1149
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.980
within context of your geography, right?

1150
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:28.950
There's all of the, the equation is much larger

1151
00:57:28.950 --> 00:57:30.600
than moon phase alone.

1152
00:57:30.600 --> 00:57:33.330
So in the ʻole moons, I start to rise

1153
00:57:33.330 --> 00:57:35.730
and I go into my first phase of cocky window, right?

1154
00:57:35.730 --> 00:57:36.780
This is the charge window.

1155
00:57:36.780 --> 00:57:39.420
This is when I get myself into a lot of trouble.

1156
00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:40.819
The stewing window happens after,

1157
00:57:40.819 --> 00:57:42.900
where I have so much information

1158
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:44.250
and there's so much things to talk about,

1159
00:57:44.250 --> 00:57:47.010
but nothing makes sense.

1160
00:57:47.010 --> 00:57:48.870
So this is a time where I don't force it,

1161
00:57:48.870 --> 00:57:50.520
I let it just come in and out of my head.

1162
00:57:50.520 --> 00:57:53.314
I clean if I feel like it, right?

1163
00:57:53.314 --> 00:57:56.340
This is the times where I cut the grass

1164
00:57:56.340 --> 00:57:58.740
and go weeding, or wash the dishes, scrub the floor.

1165
00:57:58.740 --> 00:58:02.310
Stuff that I don't have to really analytically think about,

1166
00:58:02.310 --> 00:58:04.440
because everything is just like a good pot of stew.

1167
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.330
Just needs to miko a little bit.

1168
00:58:06.330 --> 00:58:09.510
And then right after that there's a stars aligned window

1169
00:58:09.510 --> 00:58:12.240
where there's some clarity and all of those things

1170
00:58:12.240 --> 00:58:13.710
start to make sense.

1171
00:58:13.710 --> 00:58:16.050
And that's when you put your head down and that's what,

1172
00:58:16.050 --> 00:58:18.030
not you, me, put my head down,

1173
00:58:18.030 --> 00:58:19.788
and I start to do that kind of work.

1174
00:58:19.788 --> 00:58:24.788
That optimizes that kind of product, if you will, right?

1175
00:58:25.139 --> 00:58:28.440
And then this is the journaling, right?

1176
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.780
So (speaking in Hawaiian), this is all my journals.

1177
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:32.610
So as you journal, just like huli'ia, right,

1178
00:58:32.610 --> 00:58:35.070
you're going through what are the dominant things happening.

1179
00:58:35.070 --> 00:58:37.290
So you go through your journal at the end of it,

1180
00:58:37.290 --> 00:58:40.890
and you only need like three or four through the year,

1181
00:58:40.890 --> 00:58:43.740
and you start to see dominant words that pop up.

1182
00:58:43.740 --> 00:58:45.619
That's why you have to be very descriptive

1183
00:58:45.619 --> 00:58:47.068
and open and honest.

1184
00:58:47.068 --> 00:58:49.530
And you still see like slow and steady,

1185
00:58:49.530 --> 00:58:52.080
mind is good, getting through things, but a bit overwhelmed,

1186
00:58:52.080 --> 00:58:53.430
tired fast and easily.

1187
00:58:53.430 --> 00:58:54.930
Dragging.

1188
00:58:54.930 --> 00:58:56.370
Same as mahoe hope.

1189
00:58:56.370 --> 00:58:59.318
So there's a lot of things that are happening

1190
00:58:59.318 --> 00:59:04.318
that dominantly align to a certain moon phase for me.

1191
00:59:04.350 --> 00:59:05.850
And then we have the ʻOle Kūkahi

1192
00:59:05.850 --> 00:59:06.683
and I wanted to show you,

1193
00:59:06.683 --> 00:59:08.040
this is my cocky window, right?

1194
00:59:08.040 --> 00:59:10.770
As I go up feeling myself getting punchy,

1195
00:59:10.770 --> 00:59:12.612
smart ass, and a little bit playful and naughty.

1196
00:59:12.612 --> 00:59:15.361
And it's really funny because I have no entries

1197
00:59:15.361 --> 00:59:18.360
and it's just like, who has time to write during that time?

1198
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.180
And that's in itself, the no entry

1199
00:59:21.180 --> 00:59:23.673
is a descriptor in itself.

1200
00:59:25.110 --> 00:59:27.120
So what does this mean, right?

1201
00:59:27.120 --> 00:59:31.020
So how does this increase our capacity and our insight?

1202
00:59:31.020 --> 00:59:35.250
How does these ancestral instructions left to us,

1203
00:59:35.250 --> 00:59:38.460
how do we recalibrate, how do we reassess,

1204
00:59:38.460 --> 00:59:40.380
how do we bring it into the present?

1205
00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:43.110
How do we make it applicable to us?

1206
00:59:43.110 --> 00:59:47.161
These answers, the lunar cycles, seasonal cycles,

1207
00:59:47.161 --> 00:59:52.144
our kupuna recognized aligning with optimal times

1208
00:59:52.144 --> 00:59:55.110
to do things, to not do things, right?

1209
00:59:55.110 --> 00:59:56.850
Those instructions are still there,

1210
00:59:56.850 --> 01:00:01.850
we just need to learn the vocabulary,

1211
01:00:02.684 --> 01:00:05.688
build our capacity to be literate again

1212
01:00:05.688 --> 01:00:08.118
on that idea of indigenous literacy,

1213
01:00:08.118 --> 01:00:12.650
understanding those cycles and then aligning our actions,

1214
01:00:12.650 --> 01:00:14.633
making again, the kilo.

1215
01:00:14.633 --> 01:00:19.020
Observing, so now that we can make some decisions

1216
01:00:19.020 --> 01:00:24.020
and actions in place that optimize success, if you will.

1217
01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:27.480
Optimize success to stay in and have

1218
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.810
a Netflix marathon because that's what it's called for

1219
01:00:30.810 --> 01:00:32.820
for your body to rest and your mind to rest.

1220
01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:36.150
And you can laugh, because it's really true.

1221
01:00:36.150 --> 01:00:39.240
We beat ourselves up for doing things

1222
01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:42.300
that someone else's story has told us is not productive.

1223
01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:46.620
But in reality, the resting or the social engagements

1224
01:00:46.620 --> 01:00:50.028
or the social non-engagement, those are all states

1225
01:00:50.028 --> 01:00:54.993
that are really beneficial to lean into

1226
01:00:54.993 --> 01:00:58.710
and revisiting those narratives and beliefs

1227
01:00:58.710 --> 01:01:00.090
and reselling relationships

1228
01:01:00.090 --> 01:01:02.140
and recalibrating to the world around us.

1229
01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:05.820
And this all goes into changing our practice, right?

1230
01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:07.875
Revisiting narratives and beliefs

1231
01:01:07.875 --> 01:01:10.163
and then going into our best practices

1232
01:01:10.163 --> 01:01:12.840
and asking if they're good practices.

1233
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.828
So we have another poll,

1234
01:01:14.828 --> 01:01:16.980
I know we kind of jumped through this,

1235
01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:20.946
but through huli'ia and through other kinds of inquiries

1236
01:01:20.946 --> 01:01:24.070
and reassessing and having another vocabulary

1237
01:01:24.070 --> 01:01:27.600
and opening ourselves to other informants, if you will,

1238
01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:31.724
other storytellers and other libraries to be read,

1239
01:01:31.724 --> 01:01:34.919
and really understanding that we had to reassess

1240
01:01:34.919 --> 01:01:38.550
and recalibrate our narratives and the stories,

1241
01:01:38.550 --> 01:01:42.396
we started to look at these ideas of best practices

1242
01:01:42.396 --> 01:01:45.204
and really asking ourselves, wait, are they best practices,

1243
01:01:45.204 --> 01:01:47.280
but are they good practices?

1244
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.600
And I work in fisheries a lot.

1245
01:01:48.600 --> 01:01:53.444
So these are two what are considered best practices

1246
01:01:53.444 --> 01:01:57.450
that I wanna ask you guys about if they're good practices.

1247
01:01:57.450 --> 01:01:59.943
So this is our last poll, I believe.

1248
01:02:00.899 --> 01:02:05.250
These are stories we are throughout Hawai'i

1249
01:02:05.250 --> 01:02:06.510
taking only what you need.

1250
01:02:06.510 --> 01:02:10.830
So oh, we have 'em together.

1251
01:02:10.830 --> 01:02:13.023
So yeah, are they good practices?

1252
01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:16.653
Yes, no, not sure.

1253
01:02:18.270 --> 01:02:20.400
<v Malia>All right, so we have about a quarter of you</v>

1254
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:21.270
who have voted.

1255
01:02:21.270 --> 01:02:25.470
So we will close this down soon,

1256
01:02:25.470 --> 01:02:29.910
because we are running out time and so much ʻike

1257
01:02:29.910 --> 01:02:31.680
being shared today by Pelika.

1258
01:02:31.680 --> 01:02:32.897
So I'm gonna shut the poll down

1259
01:02:32.897 --> 01:02:35.643
and get you those results, Pelika.

1260
01:02:38.520 --> 01:02:42.900
All right, so majority, 79%, say yes.

1261
01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:46.770
They both are good best practices that are good practices.

1262
01:02:46.770 --> 01:02:50.976
18% said not sure, and 4% said no.

1263
01:02:50.976 --> 01:02:51.809
<v ->Okay.</v>

1264
01:02:52.890 --> 01:02:54.060
Okay, mahalo.

1265
01:02:54.060 --> 01:02:55.499
Mahalo everybody for participating.

1266
01:02:55.499 --> 01:02:58.530
Okay, so I'm gonna make everybody uncomfortable.

1267
01:02:58.530 --> 01:03:02.130
So my belief is that they are not good practices.

1268
01:03:02.130 --> 01:03:03.930
Taking only what you need, right?

1269
01:03:03.930 --> 01:03:05.647
Every fisherman, every family says this,

1270
01:03:05.647 --> 01:03:07.710
"oh, Iʻm a lawaiʻa pono, I'm a good fisherman,

1271
01:03:07.710 --> 01:03:09.630
because I take only what I need."

1272
01:03:09.630 --> 01:03:11.640
But the reality of the situation is

1273
01:03:11.640 --> 01:03:12.870
your needs have nothing to do

1274
01:03:12.870 --> 01:03:16.140
with the production of a system and a fishery, right?

1275
01:03:16.140 --> 01:03:18.660
What if a hundred people just needed one fish,

1276
01:03:18.660 --> 01:03:22.080
but the fishery itself couldn't give us a hundred fish?

1277
01:03:22.080 --> 01:03:23.370
Are we still doing damage?

1278
01:03:23.370 --> 01:03:24.990
Absolutely, right?

1279
01:03:24.990 --> 01:03:29.280
So taking what only what you need is a good practice

1280
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.831
or is considered a best practice, but it's not really,

1281
01:03:31.831 --> 01:03:36.330
it's not really a good practice alone, right?

1282
01:03:36.330 --> 01:03:38.040
What if we flip that script?

1283
01:03:38.040 --> 01:03:40.027
What if we challenge that story and said,

1284
01:03:40.027 --> 01:03:45.027
"hey, why don't I fish to what a place can provide," right?

1285
01:03:45.042 --> 01:03:48.750
Could I still get what I need?

1286
01:03:48.750 --> 01:03:52.413
But now I'm changing the strategy of fishing.

1287
01:03:53.467 --> 01:03:57.600
And the answer is, yes, you can still get what you need,

1288
01:03:57.600 --> 01:04:02.600
but now the strategy is targeting species, sizes,

1289
01:04:02.894 --> 01:04:07.894
locations of fishing, by what that system can provide you

1290
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:12.060
in a sustʻāinable, in a healthy way.

1291
01:04:12.060 --> 01:04:13.350
So again, right?

1292
01:04:13.350 --> 01:04:14.826
Taking only what you need alone.

1293
01:04:14.826 --> 01:04:18.030
If a hundred people need a hundred fish and a place can only

1294
01:04:18.030 --> 01:04:20.610
provide 50, we still do damage.

1295
01:04:20.610 --> 01:04:23.280
So it's kind of like those really like delicate answers.

1296
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.613
It's like, yeah, it's a good step, but let's not stop there.

1297
01:04:27.510 --> 01:04:29.370
I have this thing about fisheries, right?

1298
01:04:29.370 --> 01:04:31.650
You know certain things about fish.

1299
01:04:31.650 --> 01:04:34.830
We know that bigger fish are better producers.

1300
01:04:34.830 --> 01:04:35.663
They are supposed to stay there,

1301
01:04:35.663 --> 01:04:40.050
because they give us more babies, right?

1302
01:04:40.050 --> 01:04:42.438
You have a two foot papio or ulua

1303
01:04:42.438 --> 01:04:44.550
that produces the equivalent

1304
01:04:44.550 --> 01:04:47.310
of a hundred papio half it size.

1305
01:04:47.310 --> 01:04:48.765
If you need to feed 20 people,

1306
01:04:48.765 --> 01:04:51.951
most people would go out and get that two footer

1307
01:04:51.951 --> 01:04:53.700
so they would get what they need

1308
01:04:53.700 --> 01:04:54.900
and feel good about themselves.

1309
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:59.040
But that two footer was equivalent to a hundred small ones.

1310
01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:00.780
Or you could have gone out if you fished

1311
01:05:00.780 --> 01:05:02.430
to what that place could provide you,

1312
01:05:02.430 --> 01:05:04.585
go get 20 half size papio,

1313
01:05:04.585 --> 01:05:07.834
you still would not be doing damage to that fishery

1314
01:05:07.834 --> 01:05:11.150
in the same way, still getting what you need,

1315
01:05:11.150 --> 01:05:13.685
but actually leaving more in the system

1316
01:05:13.685 --> 01:05:15.960
than what you actually take out

1317
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.360
in production quality, right?

1318
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.160
So also resetting the idea that every fish is created equal.

1319
01:05:23.160 --> 01:05:27.870
They have production qualities that change through maturity,

1320
01:05:27.870 --> 01:05:30.544
change through size, et cetera, et cetera.

1321
01:05:30.544 --> 01:05:33.630
Real fast, leaving fish when they're spawning.

1322
01:05:33.630 --> 01:05:37.729
Again, a spawning fish and there are important spawners

1323
01:05:37.729 --> 01:05:39.735
and not important spawners,

1324
01:05:39.735 --> 01:05:42.626
whether they are spawning or not.

1325
01:05:42.626 --> 01:05:44.730
Let me repeat that.

1326
01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:46.859
You have important spawners

1327
01:05:46.859 --> 01:05:50.610
and not important spawners.

1328
01:05:50.610 --> 01:05:52.770
Whether they're spawning or not.

1329
01:05:52.770 --> 01:05:54.990
Is that hard to get?

1330
01:05:54.990 --> 01:05:59.727
So the idea behind that is that ulua,

1331
01:06:01.050 --> 01:06:04.350
that two foot long ulua is an important spawner.

1332
01:06:04.350 --> 01:06:06.990
Whether it's having babies or not having babies,

1333
01:06:06.990 --> 01:06:08.424
it's still important.

1334
01:06:08.424 --> 01:06:12.136
So when we leave fish, when they're spawning,

1335
01:06:12.136 --> 01:06:14.880
but go and get them when they're not spawning,

1336
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.250
we're still taking out really, really important fish

1337
01:06:17.250 --> 01:06:20.700
in the ecosystem and in that fishery.

1338
01:06:20.700 --> 01:06:24.810
And we are forgetting that our ancestors fished to ono.

1339
01:06:24.810 --> 01:06:27.927
If you look back in our history and you talk to the kupuna,

1340
01:06:27.927 --> 01:06:30.033
you talk to old people, they talk about,

1341
01:06:32.550 --> 01:06:33.960
what is the word?

1342
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.137
In the Cooks, they call it weka,

1343
01:06:41.370 --> 01:06:43.200
and it's that richness, right?

1344
01:06:43.200 --> 01:06:45.630
That's found in the fats and the gonads

1345
01:06:45.630 --> 01:06:48.900
and all of that nice reproductive organs

1346
01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:52.530
that provide this flavor and this richness to our food.

1347
01:06:52.530 --> 01:06:54.510
We eat all of those.

1348
01:06:54.510 --> 01:06:58.290
So we are bypassing that consideration as well.

1349
01:06:58.290 --> 01:06:59.490
So I'm just challenging it,

1350
01:06:59.490 --> 01:07:02.789
because we have to grow and we have to take steps

1351
01:07:02.789 --> 01:07:05.220
and the world is telling us this,

1352
01:07:05.220 --> 01:07:06.540
our fish are telling us this,

1353
01:07:06.540 --> 01:07:07.830
our weather is telling us this,

1354
01:07:07.830 --> 01:07:10.800
and we just have to be open to resetting those narratives.

1355
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.410
I think that's the whole goal.

1356
01:07:13.410 --> 01:07:15.180
So I know we are running enough time

1357
01:07:15.180 --> 01:07:16.260
and kind of are out of time,

1358
01:07:16.260 --> 01:07:18.360
but I just wanna mahalo all of you for listening

1359
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:19.530
and jumping in.

1360
01:07:19.530 --> 01:07:22.611
There's so many people that are part of this journey.

1361
01:07:22.611 --> 01:07:25.755
That's just a list of a few of 'em.

1362
01:07:25.755 --> 01:07:28.560
And yeah, I'm gonna open it up

1363
01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:30.930
to comments or questions or, yeah.

1364
01:07:30.930 --> 01:07:31.763
Mahalo.

1365
01:07:31.763 --> 01:07:32.703
Mahalo again, everybody.

1366
01:07:39.376 --> 01:07:43.176
<v Malia>Mahalo nui, so waiwai.  Mahalo nui Pelika,</v>

1367
01:07:43.176 --> 01:07:45.300
for sharing the space with us today

1368
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:48.653
and for broadening and deepening our understanding

1369
01:07:48.653 --> 01:07:52.320
of living and thriving ʻōiwi knowledge systems,

1370
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.740
practices, and communities as we work towards

1371
01:07:55.740 --> 01:07:57.600
ʻāina momona today.

1372
01:07:57.600 --> 01:08:00.960
So we apologize that we are unable to get your questions,

1373
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.550
but we will submit the unasked questions to Pelika

1374
01:08:05.550 --> 01:08:08.276
and we will send that all out to you folks

1375
01:08:08.276 --> 01:08:11.163
with the email that you registered with.

1376
01:08:15.338 --> 01:08:18.597
<v Kanoe>Yes mahalo, Pelika.</v>

1377
01:08:18.597 --> 01:08:21.273
If some of you are wondering about

1378
01:08:21.273 --> 01:08:23.580
viewing this presentation in the future,

1379
01:08:23.580 --> 01:08:27.429
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1380
01:08:27.429 --> 01:08:29.280
but it takes about two weeks

1381
01:08:29.280 --> 01:08:31.770
to get them captioned and online.

1382
01:08:31.770 --> 01:08:34.320
So you will all get a follow up email with that link.

1383
01:08:34.320 --> 01:08:35.550
And if you have any questions,

1384
01:08:35.550 --> 01:08:39.333
you can contact us at sanctuary.education@noaa.gov.

1385
01:08:42.941 --> 01:08:46.860
<v Malia>And you'll also be getting a certificate!</v>

1386
01:08:46.860 --> 01:08:48.570
So let me pull that up so you folks

1387
01:08:48.570 --> 01:08:50.920
can see what it is that you're gonna be getting

1388
01:08:51.780 --> 01:08:55.203
just for attending today's presentation.

1389
01:09:00.390 --> 01:09:05.390
So it's for one contact hour of professional development.

1390
01:09:08.670 --> 01:09:10.560
<v Kanoe>And we are working on confirming</v>

1391
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.023
next month's webinar, so please stay tuned.

1392
01:09:15.570 --> 01:09:18.030
<v Malia>And so we look forward to seeing all of you</v>

1393
01:09:18.030 --> 01:09:19.350
at future events.

1394
01:09:19.350 --> 01:09:22.518
When you are signing out, you folks please can take

1395
01:09:22.518 --> 01:09:26.119
this very short four question evaluation

1396
01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.200
and it'll take you only about a minute.

1397
01:09:28.200 --> 01:09:30.243
So for mahalo nui for doing that.

1398
01:09:32.010 --> 01:09:34.800
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1399
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.080
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1400
01:09:37.080 --> 01:09:39.270
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1401
01:09:39.270 --> 01:09:41.250
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1402
01:09:41.250 --> 01:09:43.110
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01:09:43.110 --> 01:09:46.680
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01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.230
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01:09:49.230 --> 01:09:52.413
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1406
01:09:53.400 --> 01:09:55.411
<v ->So with that, we want to express our deepest</v>

1407
01:09:55.411 --> 01:09:58.880
mahalo to Pelika for sharing her time

1408
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.130
and her ʻike and her mana with all of us.

1409
01:10:02.130 --> 01:10:03.720
We hope that you all walk away

1410
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.000
with new thoughts and inspiration.

1411
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:09.877
Mahalo to everyone participating in today's webinar.

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01:10:09.877 --> 01:10:13.710
Aloha. A hui hou.