WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.210 --> 00:00:01.080 Hi, everyone. 2 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:03.487 Thank you so much for joining us today for our webinar 3 00:00:03.487 --> 00:00:07.320 "Shivers in the Graveyard of the Atlantic - Sharks!" 4 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:09.690 I'm Shannon Ricles, the Education and Outreach Coordinator 5 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:12.480 for Monitor and Mallows Bay National Marine Sanctuaries. 6 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:14.520 And I'm gonna be your host today. 7 00:00:14.520 --> 00:00:17.400 And joining me as host is also Mark Losavio, 8 00:00:17.400 --> 00:00:19.140 the Media and Outreach Coordinator 9 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:22.113 for Monitor and Mallows Bay National Marine Sanctuaries. 10 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:25.500 This webinar is brought to you 11 00:00:25.500 --> 00:00:28.030 by NOAA's Monitor National Marine Sanctuary 12 00:00:29.070 --> 00:00:30.990 in collaboration with the North Carolina 13 00:00:30.990 --> 00:00:32.883 Office of State Archeology. 14 00:00:34.830 --> 00:00:38.550 Partnering since 1975, NOAA and the State of North Carolina 15 00:00:38.550 --> 00:00:41.310 worked to research, honor and protect the hallmark 16 00:00:41.310 --> 00:00:45.060 of North Carolina's underwater cultural heritage shipwrecks. 17 00:00:45.060 --> 00:00:47.790 These shipwrecks hold information about the ever-changing 18 00:00:47.790 --> 00:00:50.970 technologies and culture and physical landscapes. 19 00:00:50.970 --> 00:00:54.120 They serve as uniquely accessible underwater museums 20 00:00:54.120 --> 00:00:57.030 and a memorial to generations of mariners who lived, 21 00:00:57.030 --> 00:00:59.580 died and worked and fought off our shores. 22 00:00:59.580 --> 00:01:01.950 This is one of the many webinars that we have offered 23 00:01:01.950 --> 00:01:04.950 in the past and will be offering in the coming months 24 00:01:04.950 --> 00:01:07.710 for the "Submerged North Carolina" webinar series, 25 00:01:07.710 --> 00:01:09.180 which is in collaboration with 26 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:11.793 the North Carolina Office of State Archaeology. 27 00:01:12.990 --> 00:01:16.290 Now, Monitor is just one of 15 national marine sanctuaries 28 00:01:16.290 --> 00:01:18.300 and two marine national monuments 29 00:01:18.300 --> 00:01:20.880 in the National Marine Sanctuary system. 30 00:01:20.880 --> 00:01:24.780 The system encompasses more than 620,000 square miles 31 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:28.020 of marine and Great Lakes waters from Washington state... 32 00:01:28.020 --> 00:01:29.790 Whoops, sorry about that. 33 00:01:29.790 --> 00:01:33.210 From Washington state to Florida Keys, 34 00:01:33.210 --> 00:01:35.370 and from Lake Huron to American Samoa. 35 00:01:35.370 --> 00:01:36.630 Now, during the presentation, 36 00:01:36.630 --> 00:01:38.940 all attendees will be in listen-only mode. 37 00:01:38.940 --> 00:01:41.220 You are welcome to type in questions for the presenters 38 00:01:41.220 --> 00:01:44.310 into the question box at the bottom of your control panel 39 00:01:44.310 --> 00:01:46.080 on the right hand side of your screen. 40 00:01:46.080 --> 00:01:47.850 This is the same screen you can let us know 41 00:01:47.850 --> 00:01:50.580 about any technical difficulties you might be having. 42 00:01:50.580 --> 00:01:53.250 We'll monitor that box and we'll respond 43 00:01:53.250 --> 00:01:55.380 to any technical difficulties that we can 44 00:01:55.380 --> 00:01:57.570 just as quickly as possible. 45 00:01:57.570 --> 00:02:00.360 So, we welcome today... 46 00:02:00.360 --> 00:02:03.990 I'm sorry, my computer's doing its own thing. 47 00:02:03.990 --> 00:02:05.820 So, today, we welcome Dr. Carol Price, 48 00:02:05.820 --> 00:02:07.530 the Conservation Research Coordinator 49 00:02:07.530 --> 00:02:08.850 for North Carolina Aquariums, 50 00:02:08.850 --> 00:02:12.090 where she develops, conducts and oversees research 51 00:02:12.090 --> 00:02:14.970 and field work that aim to protect species and habitats 52 00:02:14.970 --> 00:02:16.650 of high conservation needs. 53 00:02:16.650 --> 00:02:18.120 Carol, I'm gonna turn it over to you. 54 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:19.350 It is all yours. 55 00:02:19.350 --> 00:02:21.723 Let me change presenters. 56 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:25.683 There you go. 57 00:02:30.810 --> 00:02:32.130 And Carol, I believe you're... 58 00:02:32.130 --> 00:02:33.360 Okay, now you're unmuted. 59 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.500 Yeah, I just got it unmuted. 60 00:02:34.500 --> 00:02:37.710 So, thank you so much, Shannon and Mark. 61 00:02:37.710 --> 00:02:39.420 I wanna start by saying thank you so much 62 00:02:39.420 --> 00:02:42.780 for this opportunity to share my work with you guys 63 00:02:42.780 --> 00:02:45.420 and for the great technical support you've provided 64 00:02:45.420 --> 00:02:48.930 in getting this talk set up and everything. 65 00:02:48.930 --> 00:02:51.810 And I wanna also thank all the people who've tuned in today. 66 00:02:51.810 --> 00:02:54.599 So thanks for coming to spend some time with me today 67 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.350 while I tell you the story of this really cool shark work 68 00:02:58.350 --> 00:03:00.840 that I get to do. 69 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.260 So I work for the North Carolina Aquariums. 70 00:03:04.260 --> 00:03:06.390 We have three locations in North Carolina, 71 00:03:06.390 --> 00:03:09.450 on the Northern, Central and Southern coasts, 72 00:03:09.450 --> 00:03:13.350 and I hope that sometime you get to go visit those, 73 00:03:13.350 --> 00:03:15.960 and visit the sand tiger sharks that we have there. 74 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.513 But let me tell you a little bit about them. 75 00:03:20.550 --> 00:03:24.090 So this is the species that I study, the sand tiger shark. 76 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:27.090 It is a native species to North Carolina, 77 00:03:27.090 --> 00:03:28.830 and this is what it looks like. 78 00:03:28.830 --> 00:03:30.390 It's a kind of a large shark. 79 00:03:30.390 --> 00:03:34.200 They get up to about eight feet, six to eight, nine feet, 80 00:03:34.200 --> 00:03:36.390 and they have this beautiful gray coloration 81 00:03:36.390 --> 00:03:38.940 with these speckle patterns on the side. 82 00:03:38.940 --> 00:03:42.450 And just keep in mind those speckle patterns 83 00:03:42.450 --> 00:03:45.780 because those become very important later on. 84 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:48.510 These are pretty common off our coast, 85 00:03:48.510 --> 00:03:51.840 and some interesting things about them 86 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.880 is that they give live birth. 87 00:03:53.880 --> 00:03:57.960 So the females will have one to two pups per year 88 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.510 or every other year, every two years. 89 00:04:00.510 --> 00:04:04.890 And they're often found in association with shipwrecks 90 00:04:04.890 --> 00:04:09.450 where they are very, very tolerant of interactions 91 00:04:09.450 --> 00:04:12.300 with human divers, as you can see here. 92 00:04:12.300 --> 00:04:15.750 And this is important for our research. 93 00:04:15.750 --> 00:04:19.230 Now I wanna talk about why I use the word shivers 94 00:04:19.230 --> 00:04:21.930 in the title of my presentation today. 95 00:04:21.930 --> 00:04:25.023 So it turns out that if you get a bunch of sharks together, 96 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:28.140 they are actually called a shiver. 97 00:04:28.140 --> 00:04:30.300 And so when you're talking about sharks 98 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:32.730 in the graveyard of the Atlantic, 99 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:35.370 that's a pretty great title that you can add 100 00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:36.753 to your presentation. 101 00:04:38.730 --> 00:04:41.940 So in addition to seeing these sharks offshore 102 00:04:41.940 --> 00:04:43.680 if you go diving, 103 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.560 one of the places that probably most people get to interact 104 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.140 with this shark and see these sharks up close 105 00:04:49.140 --> 00:04:52.260 is in aquariums, not just in North Carolina, 106 00:04:52.260 --> 00:04:56.400 but all over the United States and even worldwide. 107 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:58.140 And wherever people see them, 108 00:04:58.140 --> 00:05:01.170 they're always a fan favorite because they're large sharks, 109 00:05:01.170 --> 00:05:03.243 they have this big toothy grin, 110 00:05:04.110 --> 00:05:05.943 and they're just very charismatic. 111 00:05:06.900 --> 00:05:11.900 But they're great for aquariums and people like to see them; 112 00:05:12.270 --> 00:05:13.890 they're tolerant of other fish, 113 00:05:13.890 --> 00:05:18.120 as well as other sharks in their habitats. 114 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.220 And so, they're great sharks to have. 115 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:25.220 And importantly, we can then use people's excitement 116 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:30.390 and enthusiasm and passion for these sharks to kind of, 117 00:05:30.390 --> 00:05:33.803 as a launchpad, to talk about really important needs, 118 00:05:35.610 --> 00:05:37.800 risks to these sharks in the wild, 119 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.070 and the importance of conserving shark and ray species 120 00:05:41.070 --> 00:05:43.290 in the U.S. as well as globally. 121 00:05:43.290 --> 00:05:47.010 So it's just a great way to open up those conversations. 122 00:05:47.010 --> 00:05:52.010 And the North Carolina Aquariums are part of a group 123 00:05:54.450 --> 00:05:56.670 of aquariums and zoos in the United States 124 00:05:56.670 --> 00:05:59.670 called the Association of Zoos and Aquariums. 125 00:05:59.670 --> 00:06:03.870 And this is an accreditation organization. 126 00:06:03.870 --> 00:06:07.290 And the idea is that being part of this group 127 00:06:07.290 --> 00:06:10.680 means that we are meeting the highest standards of care 128 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.550 for animals in our collection, animals in our care, 129 00:06:14.550 --> 00:06:17.850 but that we are also promoting the conservation 130 00:06:17.850 --> 00:06:19.860 of these animals in the wild, 131 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:22.050 and we're doing that collectively. 132 00:06:22.050 --> 00:06:24.603 So by coming together through AZA, 133 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:27.600 we can participate in programs 134 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.390 like Saving Animals From Extinction, SAFE. 135 00:06:30.390 --> 00:06:33.240 There is a SAFE for sharks and rays, for example. 136 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.640 And the idea is that we can really focus our energies 137 00:06:35.640 --> 00:06:38.670 on the species that need the most help. 138 00:06:38.670 --> 00:06:42.540 And by pulling together with other collaborators 139 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:46.170 in the research fields, as well as within AZA, 140 00:06:46.170 --> 00:06:51.120 we can really just expand our input, expand our reach, 141 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:56.120 and have very collective messages for our public, 142 00:06:57.780 --> 00:07:01.350 and amplify the good work that we can do. 143 00:07:01.350 --> 00:07:02.790 And this is really important, 144 00:07:02.790 --> 00:07:05.430 not all species occur globally; 145 00:07:05.430 --> 00:07:07.350 some of them are local species. 146 00:07:07.350 --> 00:07:10.350 And SAFE and AZA are a way that we can support both 147 00:07:10.350 --> 00:07:11.940 species that are locally important, 148 00:07:11.940 --> 00:07:15.810 as well as the ones that are globally imperiled. 149 00:07:15.810 --> 00:07:17.400 And the sand tiger shark is an example 150 00:07:17.400 --> 00:07:19.440 of a species like that. 151 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:23.280 You can see here they have almost a worldwide distribution, 152 00:07:23.280 --> 00:07:25.530 the places there in that sort of orangy color 153 00:07:25.530 --> 00:07:29.790 is where historically sand tiger sharks are known to occur. 154 00:07:29.790 --> 00:07:32.670 But in some places, there you can see, 155 00:07:32.670 --> 00:07:34.980 they are critically endangered and their populations 156 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:38.730 have been really, really, really depleted over the years. 157 00:07:38.730 --> 00:07:40.857 Fortunately, off of our coast, 158 00:07:40.857 --> 00:07:43.893 off of North America on the Atlantic coast there, 159 00:07:44.820 --> 00:07:47.220 we do still have a strong population. 160 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:49.680 However, it has declined significantly 161 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:50.970 over the past few decades. 162 00:07:50.970 --> 00:07:55.740 So we think it might be declined by as much as 75%. 163 00:07:55.740 --> 00:08:00.240 And so that makes our research program Spot A Shark USA 164 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.300 really, really important and relevant for this species 165 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:05.883 off of U.S. waters. 166 00:08:07.950 --> 00:08:10.743 And so, why specifically North Carolina? 167 00:08:11.610 --> 00:08:14.160 Well, it has to do with our history. 168 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:15.690 So this is a really interesting connection 169 00:08:15.690 --> 00:08:18.183 between archaeology and biology. 170 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:23.580 There are hundreds, if not thousands of shipwrecks 171 00:08:23.580 --> 00:08:25.800 off of the coast of North Carolina. 172 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.087 This map doesn't show all of 'em, 173 00:08:27.087 --> 00:08:29.910 but it kind of does show some of the major ones, 174 00:08:29.910 --> 00:08:32.670 and you can see there's shipwrecks all over the place. 175 00:08:32.670 --> 00:08:34.380 And as it turns out, 176 00:08:34.380 --> 00:08:37.890 sand tiger sharks really like these shipwrecks. 177 00:08:37.890 --> 00:08:40.240 And so we can take advantage of that 178 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:44.250 because people also love to come and dive. 179 00:08:44.250 --> 00:08:46.470 They come to North Carolina from all over the world 180 00:08:46.470 --> 00:08:48.360 to go dive, to see these shipwrecks, 181 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:52.800 learn about the history, but also to visit the sharks. 182 00:08:52.800 --> 00:08:55.833 And that was how Spot A Shark USA got started. 183 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.770 Hap Fatzinger, he's one of the Aquarium Directors here, 184 00:09:01.770 --> 00:09:06.090 saw a really great opportunity to connect 185 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:09.420 our very dedicated community of divers 186 00:09:09.420 --> 00:09:13.530 with this need to understand more about this shark 187 00:09:13.530 --> 00:09:15.840 and collect data that can be useful 188 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.750 for conservation of the species. 189 00:09:18.750 --> 00:09:23.750 So to that end, Spot A Shark USA started a few years ago. 190 00:09:23.940 --> 00:09:27.540 And the basically how this program works 191 00:09:27.540 --> 00:09:32.370 is we ask citizen community divers when they go out, 192 00:09:32.370 --> 00:09:33.540 when they come to North Carolina, 193 00:09:33.540 --> 00:09:35.700 when they go out and visit these shipwrecks 194 00:09:35.700 --> 00:09:39.450 to take photographs of the sand tiger sharks that they see. 195 00:09:39.450 --> 00:09:41.130 And we give them a little bit of information 196 00:09:41.130 --> 00:09:44.100 about how to do that safely and how to get photographs 197 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:47.670 that are gonna be the most useful for our research. 198 00:09:47.670 --> 00:09:49.560 Of course we want everybody to be safe 199 00:09:49.560 --> 00:09:51.690 and we want them to be respectful of the sharks. 200 00:09:51.690 --> 00:09:53.870 So the idea is to approach the sharks 201 00:09:53.870 --> 00:09:56.160 in a very slow and respectful manner, 202 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:58.380 not to touch them, not to get too close, 203 00:09:58.380 --> 00:10:02.250 to respect their space and of course, to stay safe, 204 00:10:02.250 --> 00:10:03.870 but to be able to get these pictures 205 00:10:03.870 --> 00:10:05.340 of the sides of the shark 206 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:08.940 where we can see those spot patterns. 207 00:10:08.940 --> 00:10:11.010 And then those images can be uploaded, 208 00:10:11.010 --> 00:10:12.600 and I'll show you a little bit more about that 209 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.280 in just a minute. 210 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:16.320 And so this is what it looks like. 211 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.520 You can see these sharks are very tolerant of humans 212 00:10:20.520 --> 00:10:22.530 being close enough to them that we can get these 213 00:10:22.530 --> 00:10:26.760 amazing photographs of them while they're out here diving. 214 00:10:26.760 --> 00:10:31.760 And we have divers; some of them are just 215 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:34.407 recreational divers that come out and some of them 216 00:10:34.407 --> 00:10:36.360 are very experienced divers. 217 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.090 And in fact, we even have professional photographers 218 00:10:39.090 --> 00:10:43.440 that donate a lot of pictures to us like Tanya Houppermans. 219 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.220 And all of these photographs are really, really useful 220 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:48.053 for our data. 221 00:10:48.053 --> 00:10:50.490 And we could not do this without the help 222 00:10:50.490 --> 00:10:52.710 of our citizen divers. 223 00:10:52.710 --> 00:10:55.320 And so, after they take their photographs, 224 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.900 it's pretty easy to participate. 225 00:10:57.900 --> 00:11:01.260 You visit our website, spotasharkusa.com, 226 00:11:01.260 --> 00:11:04.230 and we have a form that you fill out. 227 00:11:04.230 --> 00:11:07.353 You drag your images over to the box, 228 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:10.140 just drop 'em right in there. 229 00:11:10.140 --> 00:11:12.060 And then you give us a little bit of information 230 00:11:12.060 --> 00:11:14.580 about yourself, give us your email address 231 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:16.920 so we can send you updates about your sharks, 232 00:11:16.920 --> 00:11:19.590 and then let us know what day you were diving 233 00:11:19.590 --> 00:11:20.880 when you saw that shark, 234 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:23.640 and tell us where you photographed that shark. 235 00:11:23.640 --> 00:11:25.830 There's also opportunities to input 236 00:11:25.830 --> 00:11:29.070 a whole lot of additional information 237 00:11:29.070 --> 00:11:30.900 if you happen to collect it. 238 00:11:30.900 --> 00:11:33.180 But really we just need the date and location. 239 00:11:33.180 --> 00:11:35.550 That's sort of the basics that we need. 240 00:11:35.550 --> 00:11:40.053 And then that data can be used in our photo library. 241 00:11:41.220 --> 00:11:44.220 The other way that we can collect information about sharks 242 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:47.490 in their images is by directly engaging with divers 243 00:11:47.490 --> 00:11:49.410 at the dive shops. 244 00:11:49.410 --> 00:11:51.750 This is a really fun student project. 245 00:11:51.750 --> 00:11:54.210 Every year, every semester, every summer, 246 00:11:54.210 --> 00:11:59.070 I have undergraduate students who help me on Spot A Shark. 247 00:11:59.070 --> 00:12:01.980 And in the summers, one of the most fun projects 248 00:12:01.980 --> 00:12:06.210 is to actually meet the boats from the dive shops 249 00:12:06.210 --> 00:12:07.620 as they're coming back in. 250 00:12:07.620 --> 00:12:10.470 The crew lets the divers on the boat know 251 00:12:10.470 --> 00:12:14.190 that they're gonna be researchers there to get pictures, 252 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:16.020 to collect images from them. 253 00:12:16.020 --> 00:12:18.840 And then students, like the ones posted here, 254 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.230 Mikalyla Beeson, she's gonna come up again in a few minutes 255 00:12:22.230 --> 00:12:24.240 for a different project. 256 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.353 And then yes, I actually have two students named Ben. 257 00:12:29.370 --> 00:12:32.760 So the Bens may show up at the dive shop as well, 258 00:12:32.760 --> 00:12:34.920 and just be there to pull SD cards 259 00:12:34.920 --> 00:12:36.270 straight out of people's cameras. 260 00:12:36.270 --> 00:12:37.950 It just kind of streamlines the process, 261 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:41.400 makes it a little bit simpler so we can get those pictures 262 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:43.110 right there on the dock side. 263 00:12:43.110 --> 00:12:44.880 It makes it just a little bit easier 264 00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:47.070 and it gives divers a chance to interact 265 00:12:47.070 --> 00:12:49.560 with the research team and learn a little bit more 266 00:12:49.560 --> 00:12:50.703 about our project. 267 00:12:51.780 --> 00:12:53.640 So, once we've collected these images, 268 00:12:53.640 --> 00:12:56.130 either from the web or in-person, 269 00:12:56.130 --> 00:12:59.100 let me share with you a minute like just how simple 270 00:12:59.100 --> 00:13:00.480 Spot A Shark is. 271 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.650 This is a very basic idea here. 272 00:13:04.650 --> 00:13:07.080 We're all familiar with human fingerprints 273 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:08.250 that are really unique. 274 00:13:08.250 --> 00:13:09.900 The patterns are so unique, 275 00:13:09.900 --> 00:13:12.630 they're individual to every human 276 00:13:12.630 --> 00:13:14.850 and relatively easy to study. 277 00:13:14.850 --> 00:13:17.580 And those spots, remember those spots, 278 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:18.930 I said to remember about those, 279 00:13:18.930 --> 00:13:22.350 those spots patterns on the sides of sharks 280 00:13:22.350 --> 00:13:27.350 are just as unique to sharks as our fingerprints are to us. 281 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.960 And so if we can map those spot patterns, 282 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.800 that's basically like getting a unique ID for that shark 283 00:13:34.800 --> 00:13:36.483 and we never have to touch it. 284 00:13:37.650 --> 00:13:42.120 This is a completely noninvasive way to study these sharks. 285 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.480 We don't have to capture them or mark them 286 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.357 or tag them in any way; they come with their own marks. 287 00:13:48.357 --> 00:13:51.123 And we just sort of take advantage of that. 288 00:13:52.380 --> 00:13:54.210 So, what does that look like then 289 00:13:54.210 --> 00:13:57.030 when it's on a real photograph? 290 00:13:57.030 --> 00:14:02.030 So we use a software from Wildbook that we can upload 291 00:14:03.870 --> 00:14:07.710 the photos and then it puts it into this software package 292 00:14:07.710 --> 00:14:10.170 and we can actually map the shark's spots. 293 00:14:10.170 --> 00:14:13.410 So the first thing we do is we tell the algorithm 294 00:14:13.410 --> 00:14:16.200 where the dorsal fins are and the pelvic fin 295 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.210 as sort of reference points. 296 00:14:18.210 --> 00:14:20.520 You can see those in those white circles. 297 00:14:20.520 --> 00:14:23.490 And then the yellow dots are where we put 298 00:14:23.490 --> 00:14:25.440 dots over the spots. 299 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.410 And we've gotta map between eight and 30 spots 300 00:14:28.410 --> 00:14:31.680 is sort of the ideal sweet zone. 301 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:34.920 And when we map those, we get that unique spot pattern. 302 00:14:34.920 --> 00:14:37.440 We send that spot map, as we call it, 303 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:40.230 to a server somewhere in the Rocky Mountains, 304 00:14:40.230 --> 00:14:42.900 I'm not exactly sure where, but somewhere in the Rockies, 305 00:14:42.900 --> 00:14:47.220 and it compares this spot map to every other spot map 306 00:14:47.220 --> 00:14:50.370 pattern in our database. 307 00:14:50.370 --> 00:14:53.010 As you can imagine, that takes a few minutes, 308 00:14:53.010 --> 00:14:56.970 but then what we get back is a list of sharks 309 00:14:56.970 --> 00:14:58.740 that are possible matches. 310 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:01.170 So this tells us if this shark has been seen before 311 00:15:01.170 --> 00:15:02.610 or if it's a new shark. 312 00:15:02.610 --> 00:15:04.050 And this is kind of what that looks like. 313 00:15:04.050 --> 00:15:09.050 So you can see those colored dots on the side of the shark 314 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.030 are where the program thinks we might 315 00:15:12.030 --> 00:15:15.180 have a matching pattern, but it still takes the human eye. 316 00:15:15.180 --> 00:15:19.500 My students or I, my research assistants still have to use 317 00:15:19.500 --> 00:15:22.290 the human eye to make the final determination 318 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:25.530 on whether or not this is a match or a new shark. 319 00:15:25.530 --> 00:15:29.760 So in this one, you can see the pattern is kind of similar, 320 00:15:29.760 --> 00:15:34.080 but if you note that purple spot towards the tail 321 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.730 of the shark on the left, 322 00:15:35.730 --> 00:15:38.130 you can see it's like at the base of the tail there. 323 00:15:38.130 --> 00:15:41.950 But if you compare where the same spot, 324 00:15:41.950 --> 00:15:45.060 where the computer thinks the same spot is, 325 00:15:45.060 --> 00:15:47.190 you can see it's under that second dorsal fin. 326 00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:50.010 So we would say this is not a match. 327 00:15:50.010 --> 00:15:52.800 So you can see why the computer only helps us. 328 00:15:52.800 --> 00:15:53.940 It gets us in the doorway, 329 00:15:53.940 --> 00:15:56.280 but we still have to spend a lot of time 330 00:15:56.280 --> 00:15:57.870 very carefully looking at these 331 00:15:57.870 --> 00:16:00.120 and sort of making the final assessment. 332 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.130 But sometimes we get lucky. 333 00:16:02.130 --> 00:16:05.400 And this is the exciting part is when we get a match. 334 00:16:05.400 --> 00:16:07.560 So, for example, here, 335 00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:10.500 we had a shark that was seen on one of our shipwrecks, 336 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:14.730 the Aeolus in September of 2016. 337 00:16:14.730 --> 00:16:17.430 It has this very unique spot pattern there, 338 00:16:17.430 --> 00:16:20.430 and also sort of towards the back of its body 339 00:16:20.430 --> 00:16:22.140 you can see another nice cluster 340 00:16:22.140 --> 00:16:25.442 of very definitive spot patterns there. 341 00:16:25.442 --> 00:16:28.590 And you can see that this is a matching image. 342 00:16:28.590 --> 00:16:30.360 So we would call this a match. 343 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.930 And that second picture was taken on the Aeolus, 344 00:16:33.930 --> 00:16:37.593 same ship wreck, but 10 months apart. 345 00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:42.090 So, understanding, well, did that shark 346 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:43.290 stay there the whole time? 347 00:16:43.290 --> 00:16:44.123 We don't know. 348 00:16:44.123 --> 00:16:45.630 Did it migrate somewhere else? 349 00:16:45.630 --> 00:16:46.463 We don't know. 350 00:16:46.463 --> 00:16:49.680 We don't know what it did between September and July, 351 00:16:49.680 --> 00:16:52.620 but we do know that that shark 352 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:57.570 was in this same location twice, 10 months apart. 353 00:16:57.570 --> 00:17:00.030 So this data is the kind of data 354 00:17:00.030 --> 00:17:01.653 that we're trying to collect. 355 00:17:02.520 --> 00:17:05.730 We've been working on this pretty hard for about three, 356 00:17:05.730 --> 00:17:07.500 three and a half, four years. 357 00:17:07.500 --> 00:17:10.980 And so I've just done a huge download of the data 358 00:17:10.980 --> 00:17:13.350 to try to see what all we can learn 359 00:17:13.350 --> 00:17:15.840 from all of these pictures that people have sent us. 360 00:17:15.840 --> 00:17:18.930 And I haven't finished analyzing everything yet, 361 00:17:18.930 --> 00:17:20.340 but I did wanna share with you 362 00:17:20.340 --> 00:17:23.250 just a few of the things that we... 363 00:17:23.250 --> 00:17:28.050 Sort of summary pieces of information that we do have. 364 00:17:28.050 --> 00:17:31.920 So to date, we have over 2,000 individual 365 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.430 spot mapped sharks, which is huge. 366 00:17:35.430 --> 00:17:38.250 That's an enormous dataset to have. 367 00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:39.810 They go back many years. 368 00:17:39.810 --> 00:17:43.620 We have photos that divers had in their collection. 369 00:17:43.620 --> 00:17:46.920 So our records go back more than four or five years. 370 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:48.993 They go back about 10 to 12 years. 371 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:51.720 We have information on sharks 372 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.200 from over 30 shipwrecks in North Carolina, 373 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:58.170 as well as some natural hard bottom areas. 374 00:17:58.170 --> 00:18:01.590 So these are places where there's natural hard reef-like 375 00:18:01.590 --> 00:18:03.510 material on the bottom of the ocean, 376 00:18:03.510 --> 00:18:05.943 where sharks also are sometimes found. 377 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:10.110 And we have over 100 sharks that we have seen 378 00:18:10.110 --> 00:18:12.000 on more than one occasion. 379 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.000 So most of these sharks are seen twice, 380 00:18:17.070 --> 00:18:20.370 have been seen maybe twice, often on the same wreck, 381 00:18:20.370 --> 00:18:24.243 and often within a few days of the first encounter. 382 00:18:25.080 --> 00:18:27.720 However, we do have some that we have seen four, 383 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:31.620 five, six, 12 times, sometimes at the same site, 384 00:18:31.620 --> 00:18:33.243 sometimes at different sites. 385 00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:38.310 And very interestingly, it can range from one day 386 00:18:38.310 --> 00:18:40.680 between sightings or at liberty, 387 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.250 up to over 2,000 days between sightings. 388 00:18:44.250 --> 00:18:49.020 That is almost six years between the first, second, 389 00:18:49.020 --> 00:18:50.790 and third, fourth sighting. 390 00:18:50.790 --> 00:18:54.630 And it's these repeated encounters over time 391 00:18:54.630 --> 00:18:57.510 that will really help us understand a lot more 392 00:18:57.510 --> 00:19:00.033 about how these sharks are using these spaces. 393 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:04.650 One of the fascinating things that we've been able to 394 00:19:04.650 --> 00:19:08.910 find out is that about 60% of the sharks 395 00:19:08.910 --> 00:19:10.440 that we're seeing are female. 396 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:14.250 Now we can't identify male and female sharks 397 00:19:14.250 --> 00:19:15.480 in every single picture. 398 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.030 Sometimes we don't have the camera angle 399 00:19:18.030 --> 00:19:20.847 and we have to label those as "sex unknown," 400 00:19:21.810 --> 00:19:24.270 but of the sharks that we can tell, 401 00:19:24.270 --> 00:19:27.344 a lot of them are females. 402 00:19:27.344 --> 00:19:32.344 About 25% or so are unknown. 403 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.210 And about 15 or 16% are males. 404 00:19:36.210 --> 00:19:38.370 So we're seeing, we know that these habitats 405 00:19:38.370 --> 00:19:42.060 are especially important for female sharks. 406 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:47.060 And so to give you a little idea of how important 407 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.720 this might be, I'm actually gonna turn over control 408 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.080 briefly to Mark, who's gonna show you a video 409 00:19:55.080 --> 00:20:00.080 that was taken off of our coast last fall, 410 00:20:00.090 --> 00:20:03.120 or end of summer, beginning of fall. 411 00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:05.940 He's gonna show you the video twice because it's fast, 412 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:06.900 it goes by fast. 413 00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:08.650 You're gonna see a shark coming in, 414 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:12.540 but take a look at that shark 415 00:20:12.540 --> 00:20:16.350 and see if you see anything really cool happen. 416 00:20:16.350 --> 00:20:17.791 All right, Mark. 417 00:20:17.791 --> 00:20:22.791 (water bubbling) (oxygen hissing) 418 00:20:45.388 --> 00:20:50.388 (water bubbling) (oxygen hissing) 419 00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:15.653 All right. 420 00:21:15.653 --> 00:21:16.590 Thank you, Mark. 421 00:21:16.590 --> 00:21:20.220 So what you saw there was a video 422 00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:24.240 that one of our Diving Safety Officers was able to shoot, 423 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.240 and that is actually a female sand tiger shark 424 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:31.470 with what we think is a baby shark inside of her. 425 00:21:31.470 --> 00:21:35.430 And what you could see was the side of her body wobbling 426 00:21:35.430 --> 00:21:37.170 as she's making that turn, 427 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:40.470 seeing that pup moving inside of her. 428 00:21:40.470 --> 00:21:44.760 So it's evidence like this that is helping us 429 00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:49.650 to gain a further understanding of these sharks, 430 00:21:49.650 --> 00:21:50.970 the importance of this habitat, 431 00:21:50.970 --> 00:21:52.960 but also to confirm hypotheses 432 00:21:53.957 --> 00:21:55.800 that have been around a long time 433 00:21:55.800 --> 00:21:57.270 from divers in the community, 434 00:21:57.270 --> 00:22:00.510 from scientists and researchers about the importance 435 00:22:00.510 --> 00:22:02.130 of this habitat for this species. 436 00:22:02.130 --> 00:22:03.690 We know that they mate here. 437 00:22:03.690 --> 00:22:05.790 We have evidence like what you saw in the video 438 00:22:05.790 --> 00:22:08.610 that they are pregnant or gestating while they're here. 439 00:22:08.610 --> 00:22:12.210 And there's even some suggestion that they might 440 00:22:12.210 --> 00:22:13.440 even be giving birth here. 441 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.240 Although we don't have any confirmation 442 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.640 of where those pupping grounds might be. 443 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:22.263 But of course, we're definitely trying to look for those. 444 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:25.860 In addition to the spot mapping, 445 00:22:25.860 --> 00:22:27.600 we get a lot of other information 446 00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:30.330 like stuff from the videos, information from the videos. 447 00:22:30.330 --> 00:22:32.820 And I wanna spend just a little bit of time on a project 448 00:22:32.820 --> 00:22:35.910 that one of my superstar students pictured here, 449 00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:38.040 Mikalyla Beeson, who's on the right, 450 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:41.310 has been working on for her honors thesis project. 451 00:22:41.310 --> 00:22:44.280 She just graduated from NC State University 452 00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:46.680 in the spring of 2022. 453 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:47.910 And she worked very closely 454 00:22:47.910 --> 00:22:51.210 with one of our Diving Safety Officers, Shawn Harper, 455 00:22:51.210 --> 00:22:54.903 who collected videos in November of 2020. 456 00:22:56.310 --> 00:23:00.600 He filmed five of his dives that he did at four wreck sites. 457 00:23:00.600 --> 00:23:05.280 And what Mikalyla did was use these videos to map 458 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:08.850 the shark cloud around the shipwrecks that he was at. 459 00:23:08.850 --> 00:23:11.340 So to look very closely at these videos 460 00:23:11.340 --> 00:23:14.070 to see how the sharks distributed themselves 461 00:23:14.070 --> 00:23:15.060 around the shipwreck, 462 00:23:15.060 --> 00:23:18.060 just to kind of learn even more about that. 463 00:23:18.060 --> 00:23:20.880 She watched a lot of hours of video. 464 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.710 So these two wrecks, 465 00:23:22.710 --> 00:23:25.980 I'm gonna show you two of her maps that she built 466 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.130 at the Keshena and at the Dixie Arrow. 467 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:34.097 These are off the Outer Banks and they are both vessels 468 00:23:35.070 --> 00:23:38.250 that they've been underwater and on the sea floor 469 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:41.787 for about the same amount of time, since the 1940s. 470 00:23:41.787 --> 00:23:45.780 The Keshena is about 140 feet long, 471 00:23:45.780 --> 00:23:50.130 and she lies in 75 to 90 feet of water. 472 00:23:50.130 --> 00:23:53.310 The other shipwreck we'll show you about today, 473 00:23:53.310 --> 00:23:56.310 show you today is the Dixie Arrow. 474 00:23:56.310 --> 00:24:00.150 These shipwrecks are about five miles apart, roughly, 475 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:05.070 and the Dixie Arrow also sunk off our coast in 1942. 476 00:24:05.070 --> 00:24:08.673 This is again where history and biology come together. 477 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.420 And the Dixie Arrow is a much larger vessel. 478 00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.660 So she was 468 feet, 479 00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:18.570 but she sits in about the same depth of water, 480 00:24:18.570 --> 00:24:20.160 70 to 90 feet. 481 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:25.160 So, very similar habitats, very different in their size, 482 00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:30.000 but a lot of similarities as well. 483 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.920 So if we look at the Keshena, 484 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.050 there's a picture of how she looked 485 00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:35.910 when she was still in service. 486 00:24:35.910 --> 00:24:38.850 Here's a photograph of her on the sea floor. 487 00:24:38.850 --> 00:24:43.350 You're looking here at the bow, which is here. 488 00:24:43.350 --> 00:24:45.270 And so what you're gonna see is, 489 00:24:45.270 --> 00:24:47.160 I'm just gonna kind of click through, 490 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.680 and you'll see here is the anchor point where 491 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:54.660 Shawn tied up to the wreck and descended to... 492 00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:57.300 He was actually on a dive to go work on some equipment 493 00:24:57.300 --> 00:25:01.290 that we have on this ship 494 00:25:01.290 --> 00:25:03.630 as part of some acoustic telemetry work we were doing. 495 00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:08.280 So he was servicing the telemetry equipment out here. 496 00:25:08.280 --> 00:25:12.510 So he swam across over to the port side of this vessel. 497 00:25:12.510 --> 00:25:15.780 And you can see where the sharks are distributed. 498 00:25:15.780 --> 00:25:18.090 If you look, they're color coded. 499 00:25:18.090 --> 00:25:21.150 So orange sharks, we can't tell if it's a male or a female. 500 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:22.740 The hot pink ones are a female. 501 00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:24.360 The blue ones are male. 502 00:25:24.360 --> 00:25:26.970 And then we have a couple of sharks that showed up 503 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:28.677 that actually have external tags on them. 504 00:25:28.677 --> 00:25:32.010 And so we've noted in green where we have those. 505 00:25:32.010 --> 00:25:36.030 You can see where that equipment was attached to the ship 506 00:25:36.030 --> 00:25:38.910 and where we encountered a lionfish. 507 00:25:38.910 --> 00:25:41.550 And once he was finished with his work, 508 00:25:41.550 --> 00:25:44.460 he swam over to the starboard side of the vessel 509 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.790 and swam sort of back up towards the bow. 510 00:25:47.790 --> 00:25:50.940 You can see he spotted a sea turtle there, 511 00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.490 hanging out right next to the ship, 512 00:25:53.490 --> 00:25:55.080 and then he continued on. 513 00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:59.910 So you can see what Mikalyla did was to note the location 514 00:25:59.910 --> 00:26:02.490 of these sharks relative to the shipwreck, 515 00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:05.670 as well as whether it was males or females. 516 00:26:05.670 --> 00:26:07.680 And then, so throughout this dive, 517 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.250 we're able to see the distribution of these sharks 518 00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:13.080 around the shipwreck. 519 00:26:13.080 --> 00:26:16.170 She did the same thing with the Dixie Arrow. 520 00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:19.470 Sorry, on the Keshena, she saw 71 sharks. 521 00:26:19.470 --> 00:26:21.810 On the Dixie Arrow, which is a much larger vessel, 522 00:26:21.810 --> 00:26:24.090 she saw almost 300 sharks. 523 00:26:24.090 --> 00:26:27.000 So just imagine how many times she had to watch this video 524 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.330 to be able to map the location of each of those sharks. 525 00:26:30.330 --> 00:26:32.940 This is what the Keshena looked like in port. 526 00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:34.560 Or I'm sorry, the Dixie Arrow looked like 527 00:26:34.560 --> 00:26:35.973 when she was in port. 528 00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:40.440 And here is what she looks like at the sea floor. 529 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.920 And you can see this is these sort of round structures 530 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.400 that you can see in the high resolution map 531 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:48.780 there at the stern. 532 00:26:48.780 --> 00:26:51.903 So these are maps that we got from the NOAAs, 533 00:26:53.280 --> 00:26:55.650 the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration. 534 00:26:55.650 --> 00:26:58.170 They have these wonderful high resolution maps 535 00:26:58.170 --> 00:26:59.003 of these shipwrecks. 536 00:26:59.003 --> 00:27:01.950 And so we're able to use those to sort of geo-reference 537 00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:03.660 where the sharks were in the video 538 00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:06.450 because the maps are so exact. 539 00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:10.110 So again, tying off on the bow, 540 00:27:10.110 --> 00:27:12.930 and then heading out towards the stern. 541 00:27:12.930 --> 00:27:17.310 You can see there were a lot of sharks on here. 542 00:27:17.310 --> 00:27:21.180 Again, about 300 sharks showed up in this video 543 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:23.373 and lots and lots of sea turtles. 544 00:27:24.870 --> 00:27:28.073 Shawn completed the work that he needed to this time 545 00:27:28.073 --> 00:27:30.270 on the stern of the vessel. 546 00:27:30.270 --> 00:27:32.820 And then he turned around and he came through 547 00:27:32.820 --> 00:27:37.820 and did another sweep up the same side of this vessel, 548 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.210 and was able to document all of these additional sharks. 549 00:27:42.210 --> 00:27:44.850 And so, Mikalyla was very careful to make sure 550 00:27:44.850 --> 00:27:47.700 that these were new sharks that she was seeing 551 00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:50.340 as the camera angle changed slightly 552 00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:51.843 on that perspective there. 553 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:55.050 So, as far as I know, this is probably the first time 554 00:27:55.050 --> 00:27:59.730 that anybody's ever put together a map 555 00:27:59.730 --> 00:28:04.730 of the cloud of sharks around boats 556 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:06.300 or shipwrecks underwater. 557 00:28:06.300 --> 00:28:09.543 So I'm incredibly excited about this work that she's done. 558 00:28:11.310 --> 00:28:14.700 And so, you know, I wanted to show you just real quickly, 559 00:28:14.700 --> 00:28:16.200 a little bit of data that we've been able 560 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.090 to collect from here. 561 00:28:18.090 --> 00:28:20.340 Some differences we saw between those videos. 562 00:28:20.340 --> 00:28:22.140 So you can see those shark clouds, 563 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:24.840 but if we look at sort of some of the numbers associated 564 00:28:24.840 --> 00:28:27.480 with those behaviors, we can see that on the Keshena, 565 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.370 a lot of the sharks we couldn't tell whether 566 00:28:29.370 --> 00:28:30.960 they were male or female, 567 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.510 but of the sharks that we could tell, 568 00:28:33.510 --> 00:28:35.970 most of them were male. 569 00:28:35.970 --> 00:28:38.550 In comparison, on the Dixie Arrow, 570 00:28:38.550 --> 00:28:42.930 most of the sharks that we could determine a sex were female 571 00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:46.650 with a much smaller proportion of male sharks. 572 00:28:46.650 --> 00:28:49.500 So that's a really interesting finding. 573 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.500 In addition, she mapped that location of where 574 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.680 the sharks were relative to the wreck and took note of that. 575 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.370 So she was able to estimate whether the sharks 576 00:28:59.370 --> 00:29:02.820 were next to the wreck, which was within two body lengths, 577 00:29:02.820 --> 00:29:06.990 about five meters of the wreck, or if they were further off. 578 00:29:06.990 --> 00:29:08.310 Now, most of the sharks, 579 00:29:08.310 --> 00:29:10.170 if they were near the wreck like that, 580 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.430 or away from the wreck were above the sand, 581 00:29:14.430 --> 00:29:17.373 but not above the profile of the shipwreck. 582 00:29:18.690 --> 00:29:22.830 And so you see on the Keshena, most of those sharks 583 00:29:22.830 --> 00:29:24.600 were actually away from the wreck. 584 00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:26.610 So more than two body lengths away 585 00:29:26.610 --> 00:29:28.560 from the structure of the wreck. 586 00:29:28.560 --> 00:29:30.300 On the Dixie Arrow, by comparison, 587 00:29:30.300 --> 00:29:32.400 and that's where we saw that high proportion 588 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.570 of female sharks, they were much more tightly associated 589 00:29:36.570 --> 00:29:38.820 with the wreck; right up next to it, 590 00:29:38.820 --> 00:29:41.220 within a couple of body lengths. 591 00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:43.140 Although there were still a few that were on the sand 592 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:44.160 a little bit further out, 593 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.920 but one thing we noticed is that in both sites, 594 00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.680 there were fewer sharks, although there were some, 595 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.950 that were hovering sort of more above the wreck. 596 00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:57.060 So, we've known that sharks hang out all over the place 597 00:29:57.060 --> 00:30:00.060 on these wrecks, but this is sort of a really, 598 00:30:00.060 --> 00:30:03.630 a first look at trying to quantify 599 00:30:03.630 --> 00:30:06.330 that a little bit more precisely. 600 00:30:06.330 --> 00:30:08.850 So this is the kind of information 601 00:30:08.850 --> 00:30:11.940 that we've been collecting and that I'm currently analyzing, 602 00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:14.190 hopefully to publish, and hopefully maybe even 603 00:30:14.190 --> 00:30:18.033 to share those results in the future with the public. 604 00:30:19.620 --> 00:30:21.840 Which of our shipwrecks of all those shipwrecks 605 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:22.770 that we have offshore, 606 00:30:22.770 --> 00:30:26.400 which are attracting the most sand tiger sharks? 607 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.070 Are males and females using them differently? 608 00:30:29.070 --> 00:30:33.780 And are there seasonal patterns to these habitat preferences 609 00:30:33.780 --> 00:30:37.170 or patterns in their movement ecology? 610 00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:38.940 There's a lot of basics about this species 611 00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:41.490 that we just don't really know for sure. 612 00:30:41.490 --> 00:30:43.740 We've had a lot of stories from divers 613 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.950 that have been watching these sharks for a really long time, 614 00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:48.990 but actually being able to put numbers to this 615 00:30:48.990 --> 00:30:51.450 and actually generating hypotheses 616 00:30:51.450 --> 00:30:55.740 and being able to use data to really get down to the facts 617 00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:58.023 is really fun for this species. 618 00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:01.320 Like I mentioned, with those recaptured sharks, 619 00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:03.990 we'll be able to tell if we're seeing the same sharks 620 00:31:03.990 --> 00:31:05.610 every year or different sharks, 621 00:31:05.610 --> 00:31:07.950 do the same sharks do the same thing every year, 622 00:31:07.950 --> 00:31:10.620 or they change their behavior year to year? 623 00:31:10.620 --> 00:31:13.530 We know that females might only show up every two years 624 00:31:13.530 --> 00:31:16.860 because we know they mate, they have their pups, 625 00:31:16.860 --> 00:31:19.890 only one to two pups every two years. 626 00:31:19.890 --> 00:31:23.100 So we know some of the females migrate 627 00:31:23.100 --> 00:31:24.600 out of North Carolina, 628 00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:26.370 but we're curious when they come back, 629 00:31:26.370 --> 00:31:29.793 do they go to the same wrecks when they come back? 630 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.390 Thinking about how important all of these locations are 631 00:31:36.390 --> 00:31:41.250 for males, females, migratory behavior, to support mating, 632 00:31:41.250 --> 00:31:45.090 reproduction, gestation, and possibly pupping, 633 00:31:45.090 --> 00:31:49.740 really trying to narrow down some of those answers 634 00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:51.930 are what we're hoping to achieve 635 00:31:51.930 --> 00:31:55.050 with this data moving forward. 636 00:31:55.050 --> 00:31:59.700 So, we wanna continue our direct engagement with our divers 637 00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.580 and then also integrating the Spot A Shark work 638 00:32:02.580 --> 00:32:05.580 with acoustic tagging data that some of which 639 00:32:05.580 --> 00:32:07.650 the North Carolina Aquariums is collecting, 640 00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:11.877 but also other scientists are also tagging sharks. 641 00:32:11.877 --> 00:32:15.690 And so trying to fit those two different kinds of data 642 00:32:15.690 --> 00:32:19.860 together to start telling us one story 643 00:32:19.860 --> 00:32:22.230 is sort of in the works as well. 644 00:32:22.230 --> 00:32:25.950 And then continuing to analyze video data. 645 00:32:25.950 --> 00:32:27.240 When we have video data, 646 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.540 we can collect so much more information. 647 00:32:30.540 --> 00:32:31.710 And one of the projects, 648 00:32:31.710 --> 00:32:33.990 one of the video data projects that I'm super, 649 00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:38.790 super excited about just finished, just wrapped up. 650 00:32:38.790 --> 00:32:41.370 The Global Foundation for Ocean Exploration, 651 00:32:41.370 --> 00:32:44.430 partnered with National Marine Sanctuaries, 652 00:32:44.430 --> 00:32:45.660 the Monitor Sanctuary, 653 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:49.170 as well as the National Centers for Coastal Ocean Science, 654 00:32:49.170 --> 00:32:51.840 and the North Carolina Office of State Archaeology 655 00:32:51.840 --> 00:32:56.730 to conduct several, a huge mission. 656 00:32:56.730 --> 00:33:00.720 So many, many trips, many days out at sea, 657 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.720 they used an ROV named Yogi to go down and explore. 658 00:33:05.820 --> 00:33:09.330 So hours of footage from multiple shipwrecks 659 00:33:09.330 --> 00:33:12.183 off of our coast, some of which had sand tigers on them. 660 00:33:13.264 --> 00:33:14.610 Some of them were very deep, 661 00:33:14.610 --> 00:33:17.013 just amazing video footage though. 662 00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:19.590 So not only at the Monitor, 663 00:33:19.590 --> 00:33:23.640 but also at other shipwrecks near, in the same area. 664 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.150 And using really advanced satellite technology, 665 00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:31.800 they were able to live stream these ROV trips 666 00:33:31.800 --> 00:33:33.540 for the public over the web. 667 00:33:33.540 --> 00:33:37.860 And so, I was really, really grateful to be asked to be 668 00:33:37.860 --> 00:33:40.590 one of the hosts that joined the live streams 669 00:33:40.590 --> 00:33:42.720 to sort of comment on what we were seeing 670 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.420 and to share information about sand tiger sharks 671 00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:46.890 when they were showing up in the video. 672 00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:50.610 And so one of the most exciting things I will be working on 673 00:33:50.610 --> 00:33:55.610 in the next, probably years is having this be additional 674 00:33:56.370 --> 00:33:59.160 student opportunities for student project and research, 675 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.700 to really understand what we're seeing about the sharks 676 00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:04.230 and their behavior in this video. 677 00:34:04.230 --> 00:34:08.160 And so we did get a little tiny snippet of data 678 00:34:08.160 --> 00:34:09.960 of video ROV footage. 679 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.690 And I'm gonna turn this back over to Mark, 680 00:34:12.690 --> 00:34:16.590 and he is gonna show you a clip of what kind of things 681 00:34:16.590 --> 00:34:17.670 we were seeing down there. 682 00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:19.980 And I hope you'll see why it's so exciting 683 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.173 to have this in my future. 684 00:34:27.540 --> 00:34:31.153 line:15% We are on the World War II tanker, the E.M. Clark, 685 00:34:31.153 --> 00:34:34.200 a victim of World War II's Battle of the Atlantic. 686 00:34:34.200 --> 00:34:37.440 On March 18th, in 1942, it was hit by two torpedoes 687 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.063 and went down very quickly. 688 00:34:40.946 --> 00:34:43.025 When you have a shipwreck that sinks, 689 00:34:43.025 --> 00:34:45.827 it is able to form this structured habitat. 690 00:34:45.827 --> 00:34:49.440 And in the case of the E.M. Clark, around 500 feet long, 691 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.250 this is a massive influx of a hard structure 692 00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:57.003 that rises about 60 feet up into the water column. 693 00:35:00.060 --> 00:35:01.800 So we're looking at it historically, 694 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.330 archeologically, but of course, 695 00:35:03.330 --> 00:35:05.880 we're getting literally smacked in the face with marine life 696 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.130 and we're looking at it ecologically 697 00:35:08.130 --> 00:35:10.350 because this transport of war has truly 698 00:35:10.350 --> 00:35:12.093 turned into an island of life. 699 00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:16.590 Those fish are staying still, 700 00:35:16.590 --> 00:35:17.963 the ROV continues to move along this wreck 701 00:35:17.963 --> 00:35:20.070 that is 500 feet long, 702 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:23.373 and every square foot of it is covered with the lionfish. 703 00:35:25.140 --> 00:35:26.543 I've never seen anything like this. 704 00:35:29.328 --> 00:35:32.220 Most scientists now believed that lionfish 705 00:35:32.220 --> 00:35:35.970 began appearing in this area when people dumped them 706 00:35:35.970 --> 00:35:37.620 from their home aquariums. 707 00:35:37.620 --> 00:35:40.320 And they can influence the types of fish 708 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.323 that are on these sites as their veracious predators. 709 00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:48.630 This is just absolutely stunning seeing this mixture 710 00:35:48.630 --> 00:35:52.950 of small bait fish with the jack darting through, 711 00:35:52.950 --> 00:35:55.197 and then the slow moving sand tiger sharks 712 00:35:55.197 --> 00:35:57.303 and the lionfish at the foreground. 713 00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:11.280 So this is just such a great project to be part of. 714 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.910 And it's a wonderful opportunity to show people 715 00:36:14.910 --> 00:36:18.030 all of the great biodiversity that exists 716 00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:19.260 just right off of our coast, 717 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:23.190 but that's so hard to get to and see for so many people. 718 00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:28.190 So, with that, I am going to wrap up my talk, 719 00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:32.583 but I will be taking questions in the chat box. 720 00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.890 While people are entering their questions, 721 00:36:37.890 --> 00:36:40.920 I wanna just give a thanks to so many people. 722 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.260 I do not do this research by myself. 723 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.050 I've mentioned my students who do outstanding work. 724 00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:49.803 Ara McClanahan is working on a Master's project right now. 725 00:36:50.730 --> 00:36:53.280 A lot of help from colleagues 726 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.973 at the North Carolina Aquariums, the local dive community, 727 00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.580 professional photographers, 728 00:36:59.580 --> 00:37:04.560 as well as researchers like Dr. Avery Paxton at NOAA, 729 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:08.700 who actually was one of the founding scientists 730 00:37:08.700 --> 00:37:11.580 on Spot A Shark and got us started. 731 00:37:11.580 --> 00:37:15.870 And Tane Casserley, who is partnering with the sanctuaries 732 00:37:15.870 --> 00:37:19.860 on those videos that I mentioned there towards the end, 733 00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:23.340 as well as many, many other researchers and groups 734 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:24.930 that make all of this work possible. 735 00:37:24.930 --> 00:37:29.490 So, with that, I will see if there are any questions. 736 00:37:29.490 --> 00:37:31.140 I'm happy to answer. 737 00:37:31.140 --> 00:37:31.973 All right. 738 00:37:31.973 --> 00:37:32.806 Well, thank you, Carol. 739 00:37:32.806 --> 00:37:34.080 That was fascinating. 740 00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:35.940 Before you start answering questions, 741 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:37.590 we did have a couple requests. 742 00:37:37.590 --> 00:37:40.740 If you could show the belly flop one more time 743 00:37:40.740 --> 00:37:41.910 because they missed it. 744 00:37:41.910 --> 00:37:44.163 So, Mark, would you roll that B roll? 745 00:37:45.120 --> 00:37:46.200 With pleasure. 746 00:37:46.200 --> 00:37:48.540 I love this video. I know. 747 00:37:48.540 --> 00:37:52.053 It's so cool. (Carol laughing) 748 00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:59.850 Okay, so the belly flop is like near the start 749 00:37:59.850 --> 00:38:01.830 of the video, so pay very close attention 750 00:38:01.830 --> 00:38:04.233 to the side stomach of the shark. 751 00:38:05.075 --> 00:38:09.060 (water bubbling) (oxygen hissing) 752 00:38:09.060 --> 00:38:10.763 Right when she's turning. 753 00:38:12.990 --> 00:38:13.823 Right now. 754 00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:28.980 All right, perfect. 755 00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:31.863 Okay, well, I'm gonna take the screen back from you. 756 00:38:32.850 --> 00:38:35.520 I hope everybody got to see that. 757 00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:38.110 What you can see is as she's coming around 758 00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:43.350 towards the diver, she kind of veers off, 759 00:38:43.350 --> 00:38:45.840 and you just see the whole side of her body 760 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.823 just sort of quiver like this. 761 00:38:48.823 --> 00:38:52.950 And you can see from her very rounded belly 762 00:38:52.950 --> 00:38:56.550 that does appear to be a pregnant sand tiger shark. 763 00:38:56.550 --> 00:38:59.167 And so, those are the kind of things like, 764 00:38:59.167 --> 00:39:01.050 how did we get so lucky, right? 765 00:39:01.050 --> 00:39:04.467 I think it was Ethan who shot that video. 766 00:39:04.467 --> 00:39:06.570 And so, it's incredibly fortunate, 767 00:39:06.570 --> 00:39:10.590 but also just valuable information that we could not 768 00:39:10.590 --> 00:39:12.150 purposely try to go out and be like, 769 00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:15.000 let's go get pictures of sand tiger sharks 770 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.770 with babies wobbling in their bellies. 771 00:39:16.770 --> 00:39:19.383 Like there's no way you can purposely get that. 772 00:39:19.383 --> 00:39:21.303 It's just incredibly lucky. 773 00:39:22.470 --> 00:39:23.370 All right. 774 00:39:23.370 --> 00:39:27.840 Well, just a reminder, if you haven't downloaded Carol's bio 775 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.420 in the chat box, you might want to do that now, 776 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.880 because in that bio you're also gonna find more information 777 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.550 about Carol, but also you're gonna have some links 778 00:39:35.550 --> 00:39:36.927 that might be of interest to you. 779 00:39:36.927 --> 00:39:39.660 So, go check it out to learn more about her research 780 00:39:39.660 --> 00:39:42.750 and also more about the North Carolina Aquarium system, 781 00:39:42.750 --> 00:39:44.370 and of course us. 782 00:39:44.370 --> 00:39:45.990 So one of the very first questions 783 00:39:45.990 --> 00:39:47.880 that I'll throw out at you, Carol, that we got, 784 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.260 is how can you tell the difference 785 00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:52.230 between male and female from the pictures? 786 00:39:52.230 --> 00:39:53.910 Okay, great question. 787 00:39:53.910 --> 00:39:58.910 So male sharks have reproductive appendages 788 00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:03.420 that sit right behind their last set of fins. 789 00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.270 All right, so these are external organs 790 00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:09.450 that they use during reproduction. 791 00:40:09.450 --> 00:40:11.490 And so the females don't have those. 792 00:40:11.490 --> 00:40:13.470 The sand tiger sharks have two, 793 00:40:13.470 --> 00:40:16.170 the males have two claspers, is what these are called, 794 00:40:16.170 --> 00:40:17.730 one on either side. 795 00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:20.280 And so, in the adult mature males, 796 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.060 they are large and very visible. 797 00:40:24.060 --> 00:40:28.170 And so, for adult animals, if you can get a good look 798 00:40:28.170 --> 00:40:31.080 at the sort of back part of that shark, 799 00:40:31.080 --> 00:40:33.210 it's fairly easy to tell. 800 00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:37.620 Sometimes, however, the pictures are maybe a little angled. 801 00:40:37.620 --> 00:40:39.630 And so, while we can see the spots, 802 00:40:39.630 --> 00:40:43.290 we might not really be able to see that part of the shark. 803 00:40:43.290 --> 00:40:45.390 Sometimes if it's taken from above 804 00:40:45.390 --> 00:40:47.340 or if it's a very young shark, 805 00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:49.620 those claspers might not have developed yet. 806 00:40:49.620 --> 00:40:54.270 And so, we don't want to misidentify those as females. 807 00:40:54.270 --> 00:40:58.650 So we're very careful and we always look at everything 808 00:40:58.650 --> 00:41:01.770 two or three times and get second opinions 809 00:41:01.770 --> 00:41:03.360 on a whole lot of stuff to make sure 810 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.210 that we're getting things as right as possible. 811 00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:07.510 But it's a great question. 812 00:41:08.370 --> 00:41:09.840 All right, Mark, do you have a question 813 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.730 that you want to ask? 814 00:41:11.730 --> 00:41:13.380 Yes, but before I do, 815 00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:16.860 I just want to remind everybody that any picture you take 816 00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:21.090 in North Carolina waters qualifies as an entry 817 00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:22.830 for the Monitor National Marine Sanctuary 818 00:41:22.830 --> 00:41:24.960 in our Get Into Your Sanctuary Photo Contest. 819 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.230 So please do participate in that contest, 820 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:31.050 but this is actually a really, really good question. 821 00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:34.050 But do you have any idea what these sharks 822 00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:36.903 used before shipwrecks? 823 00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:41.400 You know, that is such a mystery. 824 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.490 Shipwrecks are a new habitat, for sure. 825 00:41:44.490 --> 00:41:49.490 So, I mean, people have been on the oceans 826 00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:53.880 for thousands of years, but until pretty recently, 827 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:55.200 ships were made out of wood. 828 00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:57.570 And so they might have lasted for some time, 829 00:41:57.570 --> 00:42:00.360 but these large metal vessels, 830 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.560 like the ones that we are seeing 831 00:42:03.600 --> 00:42:06.180 are maybe not permanent structures, 832 00:42:06.180 --> 00:42:08.370 but they are long-lived structures. 833 00:42:08.370 --> 00:42:13.370 And as that video mentioned, the longer they are down, 834 00:42:13.950 --> 00:42:18.120 the more and more they are serving as habitat. 835 00:42:18.120 --> 00:42:20.670 But we presume, although we don't know, 836 00:42:20.670 --> 00:42:24.150 because nobody was photographing sand tiger sharks 837 00:42:24.150 --> 00:42:29.150 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago. 838 00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:34.020 Just the ability to get out that far and to get deep enough, 839 00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:37.530 and then the photographic equipment has really just evolved 840 00:42:37.530 --> 00:42:39.600 in the last few decades for us to be able 841 00:42:39.600 --> 00:42:41.100 to even look at that. 842 00:42:41.100 --> 00:42:45.180 But we do know that where these sharks are in other places 843 00:42:45.180 --> 00:42:48.270 in the world like Australia, for example, 844 00:42:48.270 --> 00:42:52.530 they're highly associated with offshore reef habitats, 845 00:42:52.530 --> 00:42:54.210 or hard bottom habitats. 846 00:42:54.210 --> 00:42:56.550 So, not necessarily like coral reefs, 847 00:42:56.550 --> 00:42:58.890 like you think about like in the tropics, 848 00:42:58.890 --> 00:43:03.890 but more like rocky outcrops, those sorts of structures, 849 00:43:04.890 --> 00:43:07.950 where there is elevation and what we call relief. 850 00:43:07.950 --> 00:43:10.710 Those are the kinds of places that we tend to see 851 00:43:10.710 --> 00:43:13.683 sand tiger sharks in other parts of the world. 852 00:43:14.910 --> 00:43:18.630 So it is really interesting to understand 853 00:43:18.630 --> 00:43:22.110 how human structures in the ocean are serving as habitat 854 00:43:22.110 --> 00:43:25.530 for this species, as well as all of the other animals 855 00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:28.050 that are colonizing these habitats. 856 00:43:28.050 --> 00:43:30.720 That's a whole new focus of research. 857 00:43:30.720 --> 00:43:33.960 There's another location on the southern part 858 00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.240 of North Carolina called Frying Pan Tower 859 00:43:36.240 --> 00:43:39.300 that is an old observation tower. 860 00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:44.130 So, it has like sort of legs that go down into the water. 861 00:43:44.130 --> 00:43:46.740 And there's a live camera on there, 862 00:43:46.740 --> 00:43:48.370 right now it's not operational 863 00:43:50.070 --> 00:43:52.590 for the public to be able to see, 864 00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:55.230 but we have a camera there and not, we, 865 00:43:55.230 --> 00:43:58.380 one of my partners, Dr. Burge has a camera there. 866 00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:00.180 And so we're actually able to get footage there. 867 00:44:00.180 --> 00:44:02.490 So it's very different in that it's not a shipwreck, 868 00:44:02.490 --> 00:44:05.850 but it is a big metal structure that also is providing 869 00:44:05.850 --> 00:44:09.600 some sort of a benefit that these sharks really like, 870 00:44:09.600 --> 00:44:12.510 because we have many, many sharks that seem to be 871 00:44:12.510 --> 00:44:15.000 overwintering at that location. 872 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.430 So there's just so much to learn. 873 00:44:17.430 --> 00:44:19.470 I'm really curious how wind structures, 874 00:44:19.470 --> 00:44:21.900 wind energy structures in the ocean, for example, 875 00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:24.330 might serve as habitat for these sharks. 876 00:44:24.330 --> 00:44:25.770 And it might teach us a little bit 877 00:44:25.770 --> 00:44:28.953 about how they recruit to new locations. 878 00:44:29.940 --> 00:44:31.410 Okay, thank you. 879 00:44:31.410 --> 00:44:33.067 Another question that came in is, 880 00:44:33.067 --> 00:44:36.120 "Are there hypotheses about how pregnant female 881 00:44:36.120 --> 00:44:39.717 sand tiger sharks benefit from occupying shipwrecks?" 882 00:44:42.330 --> 00:44:46.260 Well, (laughs) that is a really good question. 883 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:49.950 I think sort of our first step here is to really be able 884 00:44:49.950 --> 00:44:53.970 to document that, in fact, we are seeing pregnant females 885 00:44:53.970 --> 00:44:55.110 at these shipwrecks. 886 00:44:55.110 --> 00:44:59.070 The video that we saw is just one example, 887 00:44:59.070 --> 00:45:02.100 but really being able to document over many years, 888 00:45:02.100 --> 00:45:06.930 that what we are seeing are these very large round females 889 00:45:06.930 --> 00:45:08.340 presumed to be pregnant. 890 00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:10.503 That's kind of like really the first step. 891 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:14.850 These sharks aggregate, 892 00:45:14.850 --> 00:45:18.000 the pregnant female sand tiger sharks do aggregate 893 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.950 or school or get into their shivers, 894 00:45:19.950 --> 00:45:23.160 their female shivers in other parts of the world. 895 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:26.400 So we know that that is a natural behavior 896 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.807 and it could just be, this is a very social shark. 897 00:45:30.807 --> 00:45:34.740 And so, it could be that this is sort of how they behave 898 00:45:34.740 --> 00:45:35.970 most of the time. 899 00:45:35.970 --> 00:45:39.240 It might not be just when they're pregnant, for example. 900 00:45:39.240 --> 00:45:41.010 There might be safety in numbers. 901 00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:43.100 So, they might just... 902 00:45:43.950 --> 00:45:47.640 If you're a very large, these are not fast moving sharks, 903 00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:50.190 so it could be if you're a species that's kind of slow 904 00:45:50.190 --> 00:45:52.890 and you're very pregnant, 905 00:45:52.890 --> 00:45:57.030 maybe it's nice just to hang out near some structure 906 00:45:57.030 --> 00:46:01.680 with your other female pregnant friends. 907 00:46:01.680 --> 00:46:04.950 Again, we are so much at the beginning 908 00:46:04.950 --> 00:46:07.530 of learning about this species that some of these 909 00:46:07.530 --> 00:46:09.390 basic questions haven't even been answered. 910 00:46:09.390 --> 00:46:11.883 So that's what really makes this very exciting. 911 00:46:12.870 --> 00:46:15.093 There's just so much more exploration to do. 912 00:46:16.950 --> 00:46:19.620 Okay, Mark, do you have a question? 913 00:46:19.620 --> 00:46:21.870 Yes, I'm seeing a lot of ire 914 00:46:21.870 --> 00:46:23.910 for the lionfish in the chat, 915 00:46:23.910 --> 00:46:26.047 but this is actually a really interesting question. 916 00:46:26.047 --> 00:46:31.047 "Do you have any insight on if there's a type of shipwreck 917 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.370 that these sharks can prefer and would that change 918 00:46:35.370 --> 00:46:37.710 depending on like their food, shelter, or the time of year, 919 00:46:37.710 --> 00:46:39.420 or something like that?" 920 00:46:39.420 --> 00:46:41.910 Another fantastic question. 921 00:46:41.910 --> 00:46:44.250 So that's kind of some of the stuff I'd like to get out 922 00:46:44.250 --> 00:46:49.170 with this analysis that I'll be doing this fall and winter 923 00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:54.170 in the write up that I'm exploring is where are these 924 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.720 shipwrecks that the sharks tend to be found at? 925 00:46:57.720 --> 00:47:00.480 Now, this is a bit confounded because really 926 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:03.270 what we're seeing is shipwrecks where divers like to go, 927 00:47:03.270 --> 00:47:04.500 where there are also sharks. 928 00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:07.410 So we have to be careful about untangling some of that, 929 00:47:07.410 --> 00:47:11.880 but we really are interested in seeing if there are certain 930 00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:14.492 depths that they seem to prefer, inshore, 931 00:47:14.492 --> 00:47:17.310 out offshore a little bit further, 932 00:47:17.310 --> 00:47:19.830 and then the age of the shipwreck. 933 00:47:19.830 --> 00:47:23.820 So, as a shipwreck goes from having just... 934 00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:26.070 A ship goes from having just been sunk 935 00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:29.520 to being in underwater and being on the sea floor 936 00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:34.080 for 20, 30, 40, or more years. 937 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:38.850 There's been some excellent work done by Dr. Avery Paxton, 938 00:47:38.850 --> 00:47:43.050 for example, to study how the community shifts 939 00:47:43.050 --> 00:47:45.300 over that time period. 940 00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:48.720 And we know that there is a sweet spot 941 00:47:48.720 --> 00:47:52.200 when the sharks start to show up and recruit to these wrecks 942 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:56.070 and how that community of fishes and other organisms 943 00:47:56.070 --> 00:47:57.960 changes over time. 944 00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.110 Also very, very new field of study. 945 00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:03.270 And the sand tiger sharks are definitely 946 00:48:03.270 --> 00:48:05.430 an interesting part of that story. 947 00:48:05.430 --> 00:48:09.550 And we're also hoping that that ROV footage will help 948 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.750 take apart of that as well. 949 00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:14.820 But excellent question. 950 00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:17.283 All really great research questions. 951 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.430 All right, and another question that came in 952 00:48:20.430 --> 00:48:21.630 that's kind of interesting. 953 00:48:21.630 --> 00:48:24.900 It says, "In theory, are there thoughts that the lionfish 954 00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:28.437 are negatively impacting food availability for the sharks?" 955 00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:33.600 So, lionfish are, gosh, 956 00:48:33.600 --> 00:48:36.930 they're their own fascinating subject. 957 00:48:36.930 --> 00:48:41.397 So we do know that lionfish are eating so many fish. 958 00:48:42.660 --> 00:48:45.150 I mean, they're voracious feeders. 959 00:48:45.150 --> 00:48:47.190 They have an enormous gape size, 960 00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:49.470 so they can eat something that's almost the size 961 00:48:49.470 --> 00:48:53.220 of themselves in one sort of gulp. 962 00:48:53.220 --> 00:48:55.623 So they sort of inhale their food. 963 00:48:57.660 --> 00:49:01.980 But mostly, a lionfish, even a big lionfish is gonna be 964 00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:04.920 limited by the size of fish that it can eat. 965 00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:06.900 We know that they feed on commercially 966 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.700 and recreationally important species, 967 00:49:08.700 --> 00:49:12.540 as well as the full range of other small fish 968 00:49:12.540 --> 00:49:14.403 that we see out there. 969 00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:18.720 The sand tiger sharks on the other hand 970 00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:21.840 are really feeding in a different size bracket. 971 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.980 So they're gonna be eating fish that are much larger. 972 00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:28.830 We are still trying to figure out exactly 973 00:49:28.830 --> 00:49:32.460 what sand tiger sharks eat. 974 00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:37.460 Very few reports of them eating specific items, 975 00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:39.123 like watching them eat. 976 00:49:40.770 --> 00:49:45.330 Here, we do know they eat fish and skates and rays 977 00:49:45.330 --> 00:49:48.420 and even other sharks, 978 00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:53.070 but really understanding their diet is still something 979 00:49:53.070 --> 00:49:55.560 that needs to be investigated. 980 00:49:55.560 --> 00:50:00.360 So there is definitely a link there, 981 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.850 but they're really eating at different places 982 00:50:02.850 --> 00:50:04.020 in the food web. 983 00:50:04.020 --> 00:50:07.500 So I don't know that there's perhaps a direct impact 984 00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:11.520 of those lionfish, but over time at a large scale, 985 00:50:11.520 --> 00:50:14.583 with out of control lionfish populations, 986 00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:20.460 it is certainly a hypothesis worth investigating 987 00:50:20.460 --> 00:50:23.820 because we know when you have a species like lionfish 988 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:28.660 that are so out of balance in the ecosystem that that can 989 00:50:29.730 --> 00:50:34.110 have up and down effects along the food webs. 990 00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:36.123 It's a excellent ecology question. 991 00:50:37.740 --> 00:50:39.120 All right, Mark, one more question? 992 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:41.183 I think we may have time for one or two more. 993 00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:43.140 Great. 994 00:50:43.140 --> 00:50:46.020 I'm going to, again, use this question as an excuse 995 00:50:46.020 --> 00:50:48.810 to plug the Get Into Your Sanctuary Photo Contest, 996 00:50:48.810 --> 00:50:52.140 but do you partner with any other dive shops in the area 997 00:50:52.140 --> 00:50:54.753 for photographing these sharks? 998 00:50:56.010 --> 00:51:01.010 Yeah, so we don't necessarily directly partner 999 00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.020 with the dive shops. 1000 00:51:04.020 --> 00:51:06.360 They are very helpful because what we do 1001 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.610 is we go to the dive shops and we share information 1002 00:51:08.610 --> 00:51:09.600 about Spot A Shark. 1003 00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:13.440 We have little cards and handouts and slates 1004 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.660 that we can provide the dive shops. 1005 00:51:15.660 --> 00:51:17.790 And then we tell them about Spot A Shark, 1006 00:51:17.790 --> 00:51:19.980 and they tell their divers about it. 1007 00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:24.980 So partially because of the COVID sort of plopped itself 1008 00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:28.710 right in the middle of getting Spot A Shark off the ground, 1009 00:51:28.710 --> 00:51:30.690 which I think was kind of rude. 1010 00:51:30.690 --> 00:51:32.700 We're sort of getting back into the swing of things 1011 00:51:32.700 --> 00:51:34.920 in terms of engaging directly with dive shops. 1012 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:39.900 So, we have reached out to over 30 dive shops and dive clubs 1013 00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.630 in North Carolina all up and down the coast, 1014 00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:45.660 and even a little bit inland. 1015 00:51:45.660 --> 00:51:47.940 We have a plan, had a plan, 1016 00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.281 now we're kind of moving back into implementing that 1017 00:51:50.281 --> 00:51:53.077 to reach out again, to remind everybody, 1018 00:51:53.077 --> 00:51:54.390 "Hey, tell your divers. 1019 00:51:54.390 --> 00:51:57.540 Hey, here's our information cards." 1020 00:51:57.540 --> 00:52:01.140 So it's definitely on our outreach plan 1021 00:52:01.140 --> 00:52:03.690 is to continue engaging with the dive shops. 1022 00:52:03.690 --> 00:52:08.490 And we will partner with any of the dive shops or clubs 1023 00:52:08.490 --> 00:52:11.223 that are interested in learning more. 1024 00:52:12.180 --> 00:52:17.130 I was actually go and give talks to dive clubs when invited. 1025 00:52:17.130 --> 00:52:19.920 Either I or some of our Diving Safety Officers, 1026 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.590 my students, or other volunteers. 1027 00:52:22.590 --> 00:52:27.590 So we have a lot of ways to get involved for dive shops 1028 00:52:27.990 --> 00:52:29.640 that want more information. 1029 00:52:29.640 --> 00:52:32.700 And I think you're gonna pop up my email account there 1030 00:52:32.700 --> 00:52:34.290 here in a couple of minutes. 1031 00:52:34.290 --> 00:52:37.200 So please do, if you're affiliated with a dive shop 1032 00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:39.120 or a dive club and would like to learn more, 1033 00:52:39.120 --> 00:52:40.800 please get in touch. 1034 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.633 Okay, thank you. 1035 00:52:41.633 --> 00:52:45.450 And Mark, I put the link to the Sanctuary Photo Contest 1036 00:52:45.450 --> 00:52:46.410 in the chat. 1037 00:52:46.410 --> 00:52:48.750 So everybody click on that so you can learn more 1038 00:52:48.750 --> 00:52:50.700 and send your photos in. 1039 00:52:50.700 --> 00:52:53.730 Okay, so I think this will be the last question. 1040 00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:56.130 Somebody asked, "Do you tag the sharks 1041 00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:57.957 to try to look at their movements?" 1042 00:52:58.950 --> 00:53:02.763 So for Spot A Shark USA, we do not tag the sharks. 1043 00:53:04.680 --> 00:53:07.260 The tag is sort of the video photograph. 1044 00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:09.270 So it's completely noninvasive. 1045 00:53:09.270 --> 00:53:14.270 However, we do have a separate project where we do put tags 1046 00:53:15.570 --> 00:53:18.720 inside of sharks, acoustic telemetry tags. 1047 00:53:18.720 --> 00:53:21.240 So that's a tag that lasts about 10 years, 1048 00:53:21.240 --> 00:53:25.470 that sends out a sound signal into the environment. 1049 00:53:25.470 --> 00:53:30.420 And if the shark that is tagged with one of these passes by 1050 00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:34.110 an acoustic receiver, that's a machine that can pick up 1051 00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:38.160 that sound that is coming out of that tag, it gets logged. 1052 00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:39.720 And so we can, and these are deployed, 1053 00:53:39.720 --> 00:53:43.950 these receivers are deployed all over North Carolina, 1054 00:53:43.950 --> 00:53:45.750 all over the Atlantic seaboard, 1055 00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:49.050 many, many researchers have those deployed, 1056 00:53:49.050 --> 00:53:50.820 and we share that data. 1057 00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:52.890 So, we have our own receivers. 1058 00:53:52.890 --> 00:53:57.450 So we know if we get a ping or a hit from one of our tags 1059 00:53:57.450 --> 00:54:01.080 and also any other tagged fish that swims by. 1060 00:54:01.080 --> 00:54:03.420 It's kind of a really cool system. 1061 00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:06.660 So, we do have some tagged sharks out. 1062 00:54:06.660 --> 00:54:11.220 We've got about 30, a little over 30 sharks 1063 00:54:11.220 --> 00:54:12.960 that we have tagged. 1064 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.420 There are also people that we work closely with 1065 00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:16.293 that tag them. 1066 00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:21.840 We're also planning on deploying some other kinds 1067 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.800 of like satellite tags that also transmit information 1068 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.050 about the movement patterns of these sharks 1069 00:54:28.050 --> 00:54:29.670 via satellite technology. 1070 00:54:29.670 --> 00:54:31.920 So that gives us different information. 1071 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.100 These are all really great questions. 1072 00:54:35.100 --> 00:54:37.890 There's other kind of tags that you can put on the outside 1073 00:54:37.890 --> 00:54:39.870 of a shark that has like a number on it. 1074 00:54:39.870 --> 00:54:41.220 So if the shark is caught, 1075 00:54:41.220 --> 00:54:42.630 you can report that number 1076 00:54:42.630 --> 00:54:46.620 to the National Marine Fishery Service or to a researcher. 1077 00:54:46.620 --> 00:54:48.600 So there's a lot of ways to put external tags 1078 00:54:48.600 --> 00:54:50.670 or internal tags on sharks. 1079 00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:53.580 And the cool thing is that all of these different kinds 1080 00:54:53.580 --> 00:54:56.370 of ways of studying sharks give you different information 1081 00:54:56.370 --> 00:54:57.900 at different scales. 1082 00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:00.690 And so, what's exciting is getting people that kind of 1083 00:55:00.690 --> 00:55:02.670 do different things and collect different kinds of data 1084 00:55:02.670 --> 00:55:07.020 together to figure out what the overall holistic picture is. 1085 00:55:07.020 --> 00:55:11.280 And I think that's hopefully work that we can support 1086 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:14.550 in the future is kind of like bringing all of that together 1087 00:55:14.550 --> 00:55:17.610 in sort of a collaborative science network 1088 00:55:17.610 --> 00:55:19.200 to really understand what's going on, 1089 00:55:19.200 --> 00:55:22.833 not just off North Carolina, but off of the entire US coast. 1090 00:55:23.790 --> 00:55:26.100 Okay, thank you, Carol. 1091 00:55:26.100 --> 00:55:28.470 All right, so if we did not get to your question 1092 00:55:28.470 --> 00:55:30.000 or if you have additional ones, 1093 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.313 you can always send them to the presenter. 1094 00:55:33.330 --> 00:55:35.580 And Carol's email address is listed right here 1095 00:55:35.580 --> 00:55:36.810 on the screen. 1096 00:55:36.810 --> 00:55:39.510 You can also visit the North Carolina Aquariums website 1097 00:55:39.510 --> 00:55:42.450 to explore and learn more about these fascinating creatures. 1098 00:55:42.450 --> 00:55:43.530 And if you're in the area, 1099 00:55:43.530 --> 00:55:45.756 be sure to stop by one of the three aquariums 1100 00:55:45.756 --> 00:55:48.213 and/or Jennette's Pier in the North Carolina. 1101 00:55:49.470 --> 00:55:52.500 And a video recording of the presentation will be available 1102 00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:55.110 on the Sanctuaries Webinar archives page 1103 00:55:55.110 --> 00:55:58.260 found here at the URL listed here at the top of the page. 1104 00:55:58.260 --> 00:56:00.120 But don't worry, that's a long URL, 1105 00:56:00.120 --> 00:56:02.020 and I don't expect you to remember it. 1106 00:56:03.270 --> 00:56:05.220 In addition, the webinar will be archived 1107 00:56:05.220 --> 00:56:07.380 on Monitor National Marine Sanctuary's website. 1108 00:56:07.380 --> 00:56:10.200 You can click on the Multimedia section in the toolbar 1109 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:11.610 to access the webinar box. 1110 00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:14.370 You'll also find future webinars in that same section. 1111 00:56:14.370 --> 00:56:15.360 And again, don't worry, 1112 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.100 all of this information is gonna be sent to you 1113 00:56:17.100 --> 00:56:20.220 in a follow up email once the recording is ready to view. 1114 00:56:20.220 --> 00:56:21.150 And just so that you know, 1115 00:56:21.150 --> 00:56:22.710 the recording usually takes about a week 1116 00:56:22.710 --> 00:56:23.730 'cause we have to caption it 1117 00:56:23.730 --> 00:56:25.620 and then we have to have our web team put it up. 1118 00:56:25.620 --> 00:56:27.633 So, just be patient, but it will be up. 1119 00:56:28.470 --> 00:56:32.250 And on July 21st, I invite you to come and watch 1120 00:56:32.250 --> 00:56:34.650 Office of National Marine Sanctuary series 1121 00:56:34.650 --> 00:56:36.720 when they are hosting Dr. Steve Gittings 1122 00:56:36.720 --> 00:56:38.190 to explore the world of lionfish. 1123 00:56:38.190 --> 00:56:40.710 We saw a lot of lionfish today on the shipwrecks. 1124 00:56:40.710 --> 00:56:43.860 So this might be one that everybody wants to follow up with. 1125 00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:45.180 Learn how things have changed 1126 00:56:45.180 --> 00:56:47.160 since they were first discovered in the Atlantic Ocean 1127 00:56:47.160 --> 00:56:50.520 nearly 40 years ago and how the lionfish is impacting 1128 00:56:50.520 --> 00:56:53.100 the future and health of our ocean. 1129 00:56:53.100 --> 00:56:55.110 And of course, we invite you to always follow us 1130 00:56:55.110 --> 00:56:56.253 on social media. 1131 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.030 And lastly, as you exit the webinar, 1132 00:57:00.030 --> 00:57:03.450 there is a short survey for formal and informal educators. 1133 00:57:03.450 --> 00:57:06.450 If you are an educator, NOAA would really appreciate it 1134 00:57:06.450 --> 00:57:08.490 if you'd take a minute or two to complete the survey. 1135 00:57:08.490 --> 00:57:10.860 Your answers will help NOAA develop future webinars 1136 00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:11.850 to meet your needs. 1137 00:57:11.850 --> 00:57:13.860 And your participation is voluntary 1138 00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:17.010 and your answers will be completely anonymous. 1139 00:57:17.010 --> 00:57:20.190 So, once again, thank you, Carol, for a great presentation, 1140 00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:23.010 and thank you for joining us today. 1141 00:57:23.010 --> 00:57:25.020 And I hope that everyone has a wonderful day 1142 00:57:25.020 --> 00:57:26.970 and this concludes the presentation. 1143 00:57:26.970 --> 00:57:27.803 Thank you. 1144 00:57:29.220 --> 00:57:31.570 Thanks, everyone. Bye, everyone.