WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en 00:00:02.260 --> 00:00:03.200 - Hi everybody! 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:04.640 My name is Hannah McDonald, 00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:10.660 and I work for the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation in support of the Office of National Marine Sanctuaries. 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:14.220 Today, we are in Rogers City at the marina. 00:00:14.600 --> 00:00:17.100 You probably can't tell from my surroundings. 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:23.260 That's because I am in the control van of the research operations that's going on here. 00:00:23.560 --> 00:00:27.040 It's a little chilly, about 47 degrees outside. 00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:31.160 The winds are ranging from about 15 to 20 miles per hour, 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:36.000 so we decided to take our Facebook live inside of the operational van today 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.700 instead of bearing the cold for right now. 00:00:39.340 --> 00:00:41.880 So we are in Rogers City, Michigan, 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.520 which is on the shores of Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary. 00:00:45.740 --> 00:00:49.880 Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary is one of 14 marine protected areas 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.600 managed by the National Marine Sanctuary system. 00:00:52.900 --> 00:00:59.440 This system encompasses 600,000 square miles of marine and Great Lakes waters. 00:00:59.800 --> 00:01:06.720 Thunder Bay in particular covers 4,300 square miles of underwater treasures that are 00:01:07.100 --> 00:01:14.700 maritime heritage, shipwrecks, many cultural resources are preserved in the body of water that's behind me 00:01:15.140 --> 00:01:16.860 on the other side of this control van. 00:01:17.860 --> 00:01:21.780 I'm here in particular today with Ocean Exploration Trust 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:25.720 and the University of New Hampshire's Center for Coastal and Ocean Mapping. 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:31.260 We're here with Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary staff as well to take on a research project. 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:36.860 Now this research project is covered under an a fund that was awarded by NOAA 00:01:36.860 --> 00:01:41.160 to do deep sea ocean exploration in National Marine Sanctuaries. 00:01:41.440 --> 00:01:45.660 So this is the first expedition of 2019 season, 00:01:45.660 --> 00:01:51.020 and I would like to welcome our research coordinator for Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary, 00:01:51.020 --> 00:01:52.400 Stephanie Gandulla. 00:01:52.460 --> 00:01:52.960 - Hi Hannah! 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:53.460 - Hi! 00:01:53.460 --> 00:01:54.100 - Hello Facebook world. 00:01:54.440 --> 00:02:00.360 - Stephanie, are you able to tell us a little bit more about what brings these great partners to Thunder Bay 00:02:00.360 --> 00:02:02.120 and what we're doing out in the water? 00:02:02.240 --> 00:02:05.100 - Absolutely, especially since it's nice and warm in the control van. 00:02:05.460 --> 00:02:07.460 It is very blowy and cold out there. 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:10.300 Northeast Michigan in May is lovely. 00:02:11.040 --> 00:02:15.420 So what we're doing here this last couple of weeks is mapping the lake bottom. 00:02:15.880 --> 00:02:19.420 Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary is 4,300 square miles just like Hannah said, 00:02:19.420 --> 00:02:24.180 but we have mapped and taken a good look at the lake bottom, lake bottom 00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:26.800 less than 20 percent of that 4,300 square miles, 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:28.320 so we have a lot of work to do. 00:02:28.540 --> 00:02:29.840 And it's not easy work. 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.700 I mean there's lots of deep water out there, 00:02:31.700 --> 00:02:35.440 you need the the best technology to get out there and map it to the standards 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:38.180 that many interested parties will be able to use. 00:02:38.180 --> 00:02:44.080 And those interested parties are everything from fisheries who want to understand habitat, 00:02:44.500 --> 00:02:49.940 scientists that are studying where invasive species might go, might be, and of course, shipwrecks. 00:02:49.940 --> 00:02:53.240 We have identified almost 100 shipwrecks in sanctuary waters, 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.460 and we expect that there's at least that many more. 00:02:55.620 --> 00:02:56.120 - Wow. 00:02:56.380 --> 00:03:01.180 And so is the mapping that you're doing right now, that's never before seen lakebed? 00:03:02.140 --> 00:03:03.880 - Years and years ago I don't know the exact date, 00:03:03.880 --> 00:03:09.120 but they were mapped with that technology then for navigational purposes, 00:03:09.260 --> 00:03:14.680 but indeed the, the way we're able to look at and understand lower the bottom of the lake, 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:19.480 the bottom of the ocean, the way we're able to do that today is not been done yet 00:03:19.480 --> 00:03:21.120 here in Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary. 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.280 So it's pretty exciting that we're bringing the technology right here to Northeast Michigan, 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:26.880 right here to the Great Lakes. 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:33.300 Our partners normally, in fact, all the rest of the season, they are out mapping the ocean out there, 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.540 the ocean bottom, Pacific ocean, all over all over the world, 00:03:36.540 --> 00:03:40.540 and they started their season of exploration right here in the Great Lakes. 00:03:40.980 --> 00:03:41.720 - That's awesome. 00:03:42.140 --> 00:03:47.560 That wants me to point out that one of our viewers is actually an audience coming from 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.611 the National Museum of Natural History 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:51.120 - Very cool. 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:52.960 all the way in Washington D.C. 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:53.460 - Hello to them! 00:03:53.460 --> 00:03:54.902 - So we want to give you a shout out. 00:03:54.902 --> 00:03:56.020 They're in the ocean theater. 00:03:56.020 --> 00:03:56.520 - Wonderful. 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:01.140 So they're watching some live Great Lakes research, connecting to the ocean 00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:05.160 through the National Marine Sanctuary system and large bodies of water. 00:04:05.160 --> 00:04:05.660 - Excellent. 00:04:06.160 --> 00:04:09.840 And ASV BEN, the autonomous surface vehicle, 00:04:10.060 --> 00:04:15.300 BEN, also an acronym for the bathymetric explorer and navigator. 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:15.800 - That's right 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:16.840 It's a mouthful! 00:04:16.840 --> 00:04:17.680 - It is a mouthful. 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:20.960 BEN doesn't just stay in the Great Lakes, right? 00:04:20.960 --> 00:04:21.553 - That's right! 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.720 - He's a treat to us. 00:04:22.880 --> 00:04:25.400 - That's right, it's very wonderful to have this technology here, 00:04:25.400 --> 00:04:28.800 and it's in an exciting level of research and development, 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:35.860 so that's another thing we're very proud of, is people, these scientists bringing their technology here to fine tune. 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:38.680 It's like a big laboratory out there in the sanctuary. 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:39.400 - That's great. 00:04:40.020 --> 00:04:45.580 And what else, what other marine technology is out there helping support this expedition? 00:04:45.580 --> 00:04:49.000 Is there anything coming from the Great lakes Environmental Research lab? 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:50.220 - Yes, I'm glad you asked. 00:04:50.220 --> 00:04:54.820 Our main Great Lakes partner is NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory, 00:04:54.820 --> 00:04:59.580 and they have the storm, our research vessel storm, which is a 50-foot platform 00:04:59.580 --> 00:05:03.760 that's out there with multi-beam attached to the hull as well, 00:05:03.760 --> 00:05:07.300 just like BEN has one attached to their hull, and they are surveying the lake bottom. 00:05:07.660 --> 00:05:10.320 So, two vessels out there surveying right now, 00:05:10.320 --> 00:05:13.400 unless it gets a little windy, and they might call it a day, who knows. 00:05:13.980 --> 00:05:15.960 - Alright, well thank you for that. 00:05:15.960 --> 00:05:16.460 - Yes. 00:05:16.460 --> 00:05:21.040 I think we have photos of both the research vessel storm and ASV BEN 00:05:21.340 --> 00:05:26.840 that we can show you from operations that have been happening throughout this expedition. 00:05:27.400 --> 00:05:31.440 So right here we have research vessel storm, 00:05:31.440 --> 00:05:33.900 and behind we have ASV BEN. 00:05:34.260 --> 00:05:41.960 Now, ASV BEN is about 13 feet long and is operated by people here inside of the control van. 00:05:43.580 --> 00:05:47.840 So people that you might see in the background of this Facebook live 00:05:47.840 --> 00:05:54.820 are currently operating ASV BEN as he has been out mapping Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary today. 00:05:55.260 --> 00:05:59.120 So we are going to let them continue to do their survey work. 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:02.140 We have a good question, alright. 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.480 Alright, why are there so many shipwrecks in Thunder Bay? 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:10.740 Stephanie Gandulla, maritime archeologist, as well, 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:12.420 so I think you should take it away. 00:06:12.420 --> 00:06:15.860 - I can totally take it away because there are many, many shipwrecks in and around 00:06:15.860 --> 00:06:20.100 Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary, in and around Thunder Bay, just outside of Alpena. 00:06:20.460 --> 00:06:23.140 And there's lots and lots of reasons for these shipwrecks, 00:06:23.140 --> 00:06:25.800 but I would say the three main ones are pretty important. 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:31.560 So if you look on a map and you see where Thunder Bay is, where Alpena and Rogers City are, 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.000 we're pretty much smack dab in the middle of the Great Lakes. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.620 So, historically and today, a lot of maritime traffic a lot of Commerce a lot of important global economy 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:43.400 really is happening here on the Great Lakes. 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:49.700 You don't, when you look out, in fact, we saw a huge freighter out here in the bay earlier this morning, 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:56.200 so but what one huge freighter can haul today, may have taken you know 200 Schooners 00:06:56.200 --> 00:06:59.780 historically during the shipwreck century back at the end of the 1800s. 00:07:00.020 --> 00:07:02.640 So that's one reason, lots and lots of traffic, 00:07:02.640 --> 00:07:03.980 so would have collisions. 00:07:04.320 --> 00:07:06.480 Another reason is the weather, of course. 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.940 Back in Thunder Bay, we're outside of Thunder Bay now, 00:07:08.940 --> 00:07:09.440 - Thunder. 00:07:09.660 --> 00:07:10.340 - Thunder, right. 00:07:10.340 --> 00:07:13.460 So we always say, they don't call it Thunder Bay for nothing. 00:07:13.640 --> 00:07:16.480 So it's known for terrible winds like the ones we're having today, 00:07:16.940 --> 00:07:21.620 sudden storms, sudden fog, and even treacherous high, high waves. 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:25.240 So weather is a good reason, another, well maybe I shouldn't say good reason, 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.080 another reason that we have so many shipwrecks. 00:07:27.460 --> 00:07:29.140 So we have weather and traffic, 00:07:29.140 --> 00:07:34.020 and then particularly in Northeast Michigan off the shores of Northeast Michigan, 00:07:34.020 --> 00:07:41.200 there's lots of rocky reefs and jagged limestone that's perfect for ripping apart a ship's hull, 00:07:41.200 --> 00:07:43.720 whether it's a wooden hull or a steel hull. 00:07:43.820 --> 00:07:47.880 So groundings in that, on those shallow shoals would be be another reason for so many shipwrecks. 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.800 - And so mapping these shallow shoals is probably something that's really important 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.100 to prevent future collisions from happening. 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:55.000 - That's exactly right. 00:07:55.220 --> 00:07:58.500 And then you have other reasons, you know, fire, of course. 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:02.480 -There's one reason that I've heard a story about ice. 00:08:02.760 --> 00:08:03.820 - Ice, well sure. 00:08:03.820 --> 00:08:07.280 Could you tell us about the shipwreck that sank with ice? 00:08:09.140 --> 00:08:10.740 - The shipwreck that sank because of ice? 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:11.380 - Yes. 00:08:11.380 --> 00:08:13.000 - Are we talking about the Windiate? 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:13.500 - Yes. 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:14.720 - Yes, that is a great story. 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:20.080 So the Cornelia B Windiate, just imagine it's November 1875, 00:08:20.300 --> 00:08:24.020 and you may have heard that November's the deadliest month for ships. 00:08:24.020 --> 00:08:24.560 - I have. 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:25.520 - Lots of ships went down 00:08:25.520 --> 00:08:26.040 - Gales of Novemeber? 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.180 - Gales of November, exactly. 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:29.580 So of course known for tales of terrible weather, 00:08:29.580 --> 00:08:36.200 but it's also time when ship owners and the captains are really pushing for that last that last run of the season 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:37.720 to make a little bit more. 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.380 So maybe pushing a little bit too hard. 00:08:39.380 --> 00:08:42.540 And the Cornelia Windiate was overloaded with grain. 00:08:42.540 --> 00:08:47.320 It had about 20,000 bushels of grain when it probably should have only had about 16,000. 00:08:47.700 --> 00:08:51.560 So super fully loaded, which may have made it a little unsafe. 00:08:51.560 --> 00:08:57.080 And they took off from Milwaukee, up through Lake Michigan, headed for Buffalo, 00:08:57.300 --> 00:09:00.840 and the terrible storm came up and they disappeared. 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.080 It was suspected that they disappeared in Lake Michigan; however, 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:10.600 over a hundred years later, it was discovered, the Windiate was discovered in about 185 feet of water 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.740 just off the shores of Presque Isle, 00:09:12.740 --> 00:09:14.520 so just a little bit south of us here. 00:09:14.520 --> 00:09:18.960 And the mysterious thing about the Windiate is that it's sitting, 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.300 just looks like you could haul it out of the water and hoist the sails and sail away, it's perfectly intact. 00:09:24.300 --> 00:09:25.500 - It's masts are still upright? 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:26.940 - The masts are still standing. 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:29.400 The hatches are still closed. 00:09:29.400 --> 00:09:32.620 The wheat that it was carrying is all still in the hull. 00:09:32.820 --> 00:09:35.980 So, and the lifeboat is just askew off of the stern. 00:09:35.980 --> 00:09:40.200 So it sank very, very slowly, we estimate. 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.660 And experts looked at it, archaeologists and historical meteorologists, 00:09:45.680 --> 00:09:48.240 and they studied that and they studied the weather patterns back then, 00:09:48.400 --> 00:09:51.140 and they believe that it was a terrible ice storm, 00:09:51.500 --> 00:09:53.140 and back to the ice you asked about. 00:09:53.140 --> 00:09:58.220 And that the rigging and the deck all became shrouded in ice. 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:02.700 And so, if you think about a glass of water and your ice cubes in the glass of water, 00:10:02.820 --> 00:10:06.300 the ice don't just crash to the bottom, they sink slowly. 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.180 So, maybe the Windiate sank very slowly to the bottom. 00:10:09.460 --> 00:10:11.380 - And it's, that's an incredible story. 00:10:11.380 --> 00:10:15.720 So it's stories like this that, there could be hundreds more of those stories out in Thunder Bay, 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:17.620 and that's what we're here to look for. 00:10:17.620 --> 00:10:18.380 - That's exactly right. 00:10:18.380 --> 00:10:22.320 - So, what do you say we go take a look at some of the data we collected throughout this expedition? 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:22.920 - Great idea 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:23.780 - Awesome! 00:10:24.680 --> 00:10:29.540 We will head over to Erin from Ocean Exploration Trust. 00:10:31.020 --> 00:10:31.920 Hi Erin! 00:10:32.560 --> 00:10:33.760 - Hello Facebook. 00:10:34.280 --> 00:10:38.340 - So, we just heard a wonderful story about some shipwrecks at Thunder Bay. 00:10:38.340 --> 00:10:39.020 - Yeah. 00:10:39.020 --> 00:10:41.460 And I told them about the data that you've been processing. 00:10:41.460 --> 00:10:45.200 So this is data that you've collected from ASV BEN and RV Storm's survey work? 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.380 - Yep, so we have both ASV storm, or I'm sorry, ASV BEN and the storm, 00:10:50.380 --> 00:10:52.640 so I'm just gonna show a little bit of the data. 00:10:53.060 --> 00:10:55.500 So let's just start with an overview. 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:58.580 Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary is down here in Alpena. 00:10:59.060 --> 00:11:00.520 We're up here in Rogers City, 00:11:00.520 --> 00:11:03.180 so the mobile station is where the star is. 00:11:03.980 --> 00:11:06.600 That is where we decided to survey, 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.280 so that's our survey boxes. 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:10.260 I'll turn off the overview map. 00:11:10.780 --> 00:11:12.720 And this is our data so far. 00:11:13.340 --> 00:11:15.500 So this is multi-beam sonar data. 00:11:15.880 --> 00:11:20.380 I have both the BEN, so this is BEN's data that's been collected. 00:11:20.780 --> 00:11:22.660 And this is RV storm. 00:11:22.780 --> 00:11:25.040 And so I'll kind of take us in for a closer look. 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:29.960 This data is not completely processed yet so you'll see some artifacts in it. 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:32.460 - [Hannah] And, what is an artifact? 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:35.520 - An artifact is just when we haven't cleaned the data yet. 00:11:35.520 --> 00:11:40.100 So, if the sonar passes something in the water column, like a fish, 00:11:40.100 --> 00:11:42.080 it would make a spike in the data. 00:11:42.340 --> 00:11:46.380 There also, we often find spikes along the edges of data like we do here. 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:48.940 So these, these points coming up are not real, 00:11:48.940 --> 00:11:51.560 they're just things that we have to clean out of the data. 00:11:52.020 --> 00:11:54.440 But this is the, this is ASV BEN's data, 00:11:54.440 --> 00:12:01.220 and if I move out to storm, there's some really beautiful features out here that they saw. 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.340 - [Hannah] And so, these features they didn't know about before? 00:12:04.580 --> 00:12:06.040 - I think they see them occasionally, 00:12:06.040 --> 00:12:07.820 but we never had such a beautiful map of them. 00:12:07.820 --> 00:12:10.120 So I don't know if they knew how many were here. 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:13.520 In addition to the multi-beam for the storm, 00:12:13.520 --> 00:12:15.680 we also have what's called the back scatter. 00:12:15.680 --> 00:12:18.120 So that's an intensity of the returns. 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.260 So you get this beautiful map of reflectivity from the sonar, 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:26.400 and it tells us a little bit about the seabed character, what, what it's made out of. 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:31.560 If you have higher reflections, it tends to be something harder that sends back more energy. 00:12:31.560 --> 00:12:35.480 - So what are the crater like structures there? 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.760 - I believe from talking to people they're probably glacial. 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:41.040 I can't really say much more than that. 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:43.640 I don't know if anybody else in the van has a better idea, 00:12:43.640 --> 00:12:46.040 but they're sure pretty, aren't they? 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:47.060 - Yeah they are. 00:12:49.460 --> 00:12:51.440 - There's a whole pile of them. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:52.700 I love this view. 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:58.820 - We have a question coming in from Facebook about GIS and how that's used in an expedition like this. 00:12:59.040 --> 00:13:03.160 - Sure, so we use a combination of traditional GIS software, 00:13:03.160 --> 00:13:09.140 things like ArcGIS, to kind of compile all of our data to bring it into one location, 00:13:09.140 --> 00:13:13.460 so that's kind of how we do our planning and how we do our final map. 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.766 In the intermediate, we use a lot of very specialized software 00:13:16.766 --> 00:13:19.320 that's really specialized to the hydrographic world. 00:13:19.620 --> 00:13:21.100 So this software is called Fledermaus. 00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:24.920 This is a visualization software that specializes on multi-beam data. 00:13:25.180 --> 00:13:30.020 We also use software like, Chimera, we use when we're acquiring data. 00:13:30.020 --> 00:13:32.080 Khansburg has a software called SIS. 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.140 These are very specialized software that most people don't know, 00:13:34.140 --> 00:13:38.900 but they're, they're GIS-like in that they have geospatial X Y Z information, 00:13:38.900 --> 00:13:40.580 latitude, longitude, and depth, 00:13:40.580 --> 00:13:46.760 but they're really specialize in being able to look at the high rates of the sonar data that we have. 00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:47.300 - That's great. 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:51.860 And how long does it take you to process the data to go from 00:13:51.860 --> 00:13:57.920 what ASV BEN is collecting in real time with the sonar to the data you have processed here? 00:13:58.140 --> 00:14:01.040 - To this level takes ago more than 15 minutes. 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:01.540 - Oh wow. 00:14:01.540 --> 00:14:05.060 - So, maybe an hour if things, if we had a lot of data. 00:14:05.060 --> 00:14:11.160 It's just sending it through, copying it over, and just running it through a few things and we can get to this level. 00:14:11.160 --> 00:14:17.780 So it's really fast if we want to do some immediate planning and do further acquisition, no problem. 00:14:17.780 --> 00:14:20.120 To get to a complete product takes a little bit longer, 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.540 so cleaning out those artifacts that we talked about, things like that. 00:14:23.540 --> 00:14:26.100 That, that will take a little bit of work on our part. 00:14:26.100 --> 00:14:30.400 We use some manual editing where we actually go in and delete those by hand 00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:34.440 and also some filters and algorithms to, to clean up some of the artifacts. 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:35.340 - That's great. 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:39.580 And we also had a question come in on Facebook about women in STEM 00:14:39.580 --> 00:14:42.660 and your role with this data processing and working with 00:14:42.660 --> 00:14:45.260 University of New Hampshire and Ocean Exploration Trust. 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.380 What is your role, then, as a woman in STEM, 00:14:48.380 --> 00:14:51.420 and how have your studies evolved as a woman? 00:14:51.420 --> 00:14:58.840 So, I started it as an undergrad doing geology and GIS at Slippery Rock University in Western Pennsylvania. 00:14:59.260 --> 00:15:02.600 From there, I went to work at USGS in Woods Hole. 00:15:03.640 --> 00:15:04.960 It was there that I got into the ocean. 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:07.980 So I didn't know anything about multi-beam or bathymetry. 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:12.540 When I got to USGS, they were obviously in the ocean at Woods Hole. 00:15:12.680 --> 00:15:14.580 I learned how geologists worked there. 00:15:14.680 --> 00:15:17.360 And then from there, I went to work for this software company. 00:15:17.900 --> 00:15:20.680 And then, was there for about ten years learning about that. 00:15:20.680 --> 00:15:22.900 I wanted to know more about the sonars themselves. 00:15:22.900 --> 00:15:26.280 I understood the end products and what people do with them, 00:15:26.280 --> 00:15:31.240 but I didn't really have a good feel for the, what we call the acquisition side of things. 00:15:31.520 --> 00:15:33.840 So I went back to school at the University of New Hampshire 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.280 where I'm just finishing up my master's in ocean mapping. 00:15:36.420 --> 00:15:37.260 - That's incredible! 00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:38.780 And congratulations 00:15:38.780 --> 00:15:39.300 - Thanks! 00:15:39.300 --> 00:15:39.800 Not done yet! 00:15:39.800 --> 00:15:41.060 - to be on such a cool project too. 00:15:41.060 --> 00:15:42.700 - Oh yeah, this part's really fun. 00:15:42.980 --> 00:15:44.900 And right now I'm working for Ocean Exploration Trust, 00:15:44.900 --> 00:15:49.900 so I'll be with them for the season and hopefully seasons to follow because it's been really fun. 00:15:49.900 --> 00:15:50.400 - Yeah! 00:15:50.400 --> 00:15:54.480 Could you show us a little bit more of what Ocean Exploration Trust and Nautilus is doing? 00:15:54.640 --> 00:15:59.120 So right now, the Ocean Exploration Trust is also running the EV Nautilus, 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:00.720 and this is Nautilus live. 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:05.460 Anybody can go there themselves and check out what's happening on the EV Nautilus. 00:16:05.880 --> 00:16:10.220 In the top left screen, if I could point, this is their sonar, 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:15.320 so they have a sonar that's similar to ours but for deeper water called the EM302. 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.840 And you can see their mapping in 3,400 meters, 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:20.700 so they're not being really deep. 00:16:20.920 --> 00:16:24.140 They're off the coast of California right now doing their mapping. 00:16:24.260 --> 00:16:25.840 And this is the back view of the vessel, 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:30.660 so looking out, that's the winch that we use to lower the ROV's into the water when we dive. 00:16:30.920 --> 00:16:33.900 But this is the the view you get when they're on a mapping. 00:16:33.900 --> 00:16:34.420 - That's great. 00:16:34.420 --> 00:16:38.200 And they're headed to Cordell Bank and Greater Farallones National Marine Sanctuary? 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.620 - Yeah, that's right, so they're doing some more sanctuary work, yeah. 00:16:40.620 --> 00:16:43.620 So they're going up to do some mapping in the sanctuary. 00:16:43.620 --> 00:16:48.000 - Yeah, this research is also under the same NOAA funded project 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.640 to do exploration in National Marine Sanctuaries. 00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:51.140 - Yeah. 00:16:51.140 --> 00:16:54.100 - Very cool that they're also doing mapping, that's exciting. 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:54.600 - Yes! 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:59.060 - And they'll be returning to these West Coast sanctuaries as well to take the ROV. 00:16:59.060 --> 00:17:01.420 - Yeah, at the end of the season, I believe it's October, 00:17:01.420 --> 00:17:05.280 we'll be turning to Monterey, Cordell, I believe. 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:07.140 And I'll be on the Nautilus then, 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:08.580 so I'm really looking forward to it. 00:17:08.580 --> 00:17:11.660 We had some great finds last year in Monterey Bay, 00:17:11.660 --> 00:17:14.260 well in the sanctuary waters near Davidson seamount, 00:17:14.260 --> 00:17:15.460 so looking forward to it. 00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:16.080 - That's exciting. 00:17:16.080 --> 00:17:20.140 So as an ocean mapper, you've been based on a land assignment 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:25.560 in a very small town of Rogers City, Michigan, it's called the nautical city by the way, 00:17:25.560 --> 00:17:27.920 so that's fitting for what we're doing here. 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.500 But what has it been like to be here for two weeks in a small town, 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:34.900 working with the community, working on your project? 00:17:34.900 --> 00:17:35.680 - It's been lovely. 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:37.020 I love being on the ship. 00:17:37.020 --> 00:17:38.240 I love being on the Nautilus, 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.720 but there's a lot to be said for a land-based expedition. 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:43.280 We get to go to the bakery, 00:17:43.280 --> 00:17:46.120 and we get to have espresso and coffee in the morning. 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:50.040 Rogers City is a lovely town, has coffee shops, bakeries, restaurants, 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:54.640 so, and a bed that's not moving moving which there's a lot to be said for that too. 00:17:54.940 --> 00:17:55.800 - Fair enough. 00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:58.340 We would have wished for warmer weather for you while you're here, 00:17:58.340 --> 00:18:02.520 but you're really experiencing the true essence that Michigan offers. 00:18:03.800 --> 00:18:04.440 - Yeah, that's alright. 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.720 It's been just fine, and when we get a sunny day I'll be more excited. 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:08.220 - Yeah. 00:18:08.460 --> 00:18:10.600 Well thank you so much for sharing your data with us 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:14.380 and what OET and Nautilus are up to for the rest of the season. 00:18:14.620 --> 00:18:20.540 We will head back to talk to Stephanie about getting into your sanctuary, 00:18:20.540 --> 00:18:24.040 about the rest of this expedition, and let's see how it's wrapping up. 00:18:25.900 --> 00:18:26.440 Stephanie! 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:26.940 - Yes! 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:32.120 We are going to talk to you about how the expedition is wrapping up and then getting into your sanctuary. 00:18:32.120 --> 00:18:32.780 - Oh, that's right. 00:18:33.320 --> 00:18:34.480 Do we want to say hi to Wayne? 00:18:34.840 --> 00:18:35.820 Wayne, come back. 00:18:36.300 --> 00:18:40.020 State of Michigan maritime archaeologist, Wayne, who's a little shy. 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:45.240 So yes, I'm kind of sad to say we only have a few more days left of our expedition, 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.660 and it has been such a great partnership. 00:18:46.660 --> 00:18:47.840 - They've been here since when? 00:18:47.840 --> 00:18:48.780 - Since May 6th. 00:18:48.780 --> 00:18:50.200 We hit the water May 6th. 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:51.600 - Wow, so this is day 10. 00:18:51.940 --> 00:18:52.440 - Is it? 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:53.560 I can't even count anymore. 00:18:53.560 --> 00:18:55.880 - 16. It's May 16th, so yes. 00:18:56.800 --> 00:18:59.520 So, we're very happy that they'll be back again. 00:18:59.520 --> 00:19:02.120 We've got a lot of ground to cover like we had talked about. 00:19:02.360 --> 00:19:07.900 And, we talked a little bit about those fascinating stories, these compelling maritime history stories, 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:14.020 and the power of these stories to connect people, people like you and me, people like our audience out there, 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:19.380 to the everyday people that we're making their living off of the lakes historically and today. 00:19:19.380 --> 00:19:21.100 So these are great, great connections, 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:25.820 and not just the, the tragic stories where people lost their lives and property, 00:19:25.820 --> 00:19:28.920 but it also gives us insight into thousands and thousands of people 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.900 that successfully work the Great Lakes. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.900 So, these stories connect us to this place, 00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:39.340 and we also can get connected to this place by actually getting into our sanctuary and getting into the water, 00:19:39.340 --> 00:19:40.900 in fact is you don't even have to get wet. 00:19:40.900 --> 00:19:45.020 Probably the easiest way to do it is on the glass bottom boat, the Lady Michigan, 00:19:45.020 --> 00:19:48.240 which is operated by the Friends of Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary. 00:19:48.620 --> 00:19:49.860 Great trip, don't you think? 00:19:49.860 --> 00:19:50.820 - It's wonderful. 00:19:50.820 --> 00:19:51.920 - It's lots of fun. 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.840 Go out, two hour cruise, see the shipwrecks at Thunder Bay. 00:19:55.040 --> 00:20:00.460 You can also tie up if you have a small boat, maybe even a little bit bigger boat, 00:20:00.460 --> 00:20:02.740 tie up to one of the of the sanctuary's mooring buoys. 00:20:02.740 --> 00:20:06.380 And we maintain mooring buoys on over 40 of the shipwrecks. 00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:06.880 - Wow. 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:12.680 And these shipwrecks range from very very shallow to deeper wrecks where you have to scuba dive, 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.920 but you can snorkel the shallows ones. 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:19.180 You can paddle with a paddle board or a kayak over the shipwrecks, 00:20:19.180 --> 00:20:20.820 and of course, you can scuba dive them. 00:20:20.820 --> 00:20:25.400 So lots and lots of ways to get into your sanctuary to experience these stories firsthand. 00:20:25.420 --> 00:20:26.940 - That's incredible! 00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:33.380 And so as we mentioned earlier, Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary is one of 14 marine protected areas. 00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:39.000 And throughout Memorial Day all the way to Labor Day there's a Get Into Your Sanctuary photo contest. 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:45.200 So if you're tuning in from any of these sanctuary sites, or have a trip visit to visit one of these places, 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.300 we really encourage you to take photos and submit them into our photo contest, 00:20:49.300 --> 00:20:51.240 which you can find out more online. 00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:58.160 As well as from August 2nd to August 4th is the Get Into Your Sanctuary weekend. 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:00.520 So if you're planning an August vacation, 00:21:00.520 --> 00:21:03.700 national marine sanctuaries are a great place to visit. 00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:06.400 We have Thunder Bay where you can check out some shipwrecks. 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:12.340 Many of the other sanctuaries have some fishing, they have beautiful coral reefs, kelp forests, 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:16.320 many ways to get involved and recreate in national marine sanctuaries. 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.120 So that is August 2nd to August 4th, 00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:23.520 and plan this Get Into Your Sanctuary weekend. 00:21:23.520 --> 00:21:26.320 We really want you to get out there and explore, yourself. 00:21:26.540 --> 00:21:27.980 - Come to Thunder Bay! 00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:29.140 - Yeah, come to Thunder Bay! 00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:29.980 We're here exploring. 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:35.040 Maybe eventually in a few years we'll have, be identifying these shipwrecks on this expedition. 00:21:35.040 --> 00:21:37.700 Maybe they'll be buoyed and ready to scuba dive on? 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:38.640 - Maybe so. 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:39.840 - You never know 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:41.520 Alright. 00:21:41.520 --> 00:21:42.100 - Thanks Hannah. 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:45.080 Yeah thank you do we have any questions coming in from Facebook? 00:21:46.140 --> 00:21:48.760 - [Moderator] Someone asked a while ago what they can do to help protect, 00:21:48.760 --> 00:21:50.740 to help save the world, to help protect the Great Lakes. 00:21:51.560 --> 00:21:52.820 - That's great, yeah. 00:21:52.820 --> 00:21:53.540 - You got that one? 00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:54.040 -Sure. 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.860 Alright, so what can you do to help protect the Great Lakes. 00:21:58.220 --> 00:22:04.460 So the Great Lakes are a part of the entire, I would say, the global ocean, the world's waterways. 00:22:04.460 --> 00:22:06.160 And ways that we can protect them, 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.760 we know that they're at risk to marine debris, we know that there's change happening to our ocean, 00:22:11.760 --> 00:22:18.480 so really being a planet steward yourself, reducing the amount of single-use plastics that you're using, 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.860 biking, walking, getting to work in different ways without carbon emissions 00:22:22.860 --> 00:22:25.340 is a great way to really help save the planet. 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.820 So the ocean is connected to the Great Lakes and 00:22:28.820 --> 00:22:29.860 - To us all. 00:22:29.860 --> 00:22:31.180 -And to us all, yes. 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:32.580 - Good question. 00:22:32.580 --> 00:22:36.880 - [Moderator] We have one more, it says what kind of management model is used for NOAA marine sanctuaries? 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:38.260 - Alright. 00:22:38.260 --> 00:22:39.620 - Wow, that's a big question. 00:22:39.620 --> 00:22:44.260 - It is, I can take a stab at that, so the, and you can help correct me if I'm wrong. 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:50.260 So, NOAA's Office of National Marine Sanctuaries is overseen by NOAA, 00:22:50.260 --> 00:22:53.560 which is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 00:22:53.800 --> 00:22:56.660 Under NOAA is the National Ocean Service, 00:22:56.660 --> 00:23:03.100 which if you're familiar with the National Weather Service, it's a sister line office/agency. 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.720 And under the National Ocean Service is National Marine Sanctuaries, along with other offices. 00:23:09.040 --> 00:23:11.680 So that is where national marine sanctuaries live. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:18.220 It's a, another way to explain a National Marine Sanctuary is kind of like a national park but underwater. 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.440 So if you're imagining it governed that way, it's quite similar. 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.500 - But as far as that management model, I would add, that was excellent, 00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:30.860 and I would definitely add that it's about involving the people. 00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:32.780 - These are your places. 00:23:32.780 --> 00:23:33.560 - That's exactly right. 00:23:33.560 --> 00:23:36.300 And the more you know about it, the more you learn about it, 00:23:36.300 --> 00:23:38.320 which is what sanctuaries encourage, 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:41.600 the more you'll love and want to protect these very special places. 00:23:42.020 --> 00:23:44.080 Do we, I don't know if we have time. 00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:46.020 Do we have time to take a peek at BEN? 00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:46.680 - Let's go for it. 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:47.680 - It might be windy. 00:23:47.820 --> 00:23:49.480 Be prepared for a little wind. 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:50.020 -Alright. 00:23:50.020 --> 00:23:50.540 - Let's run out and take a look at BEN. 00:23:50.540 --> 00:23:52.020 - Let's run out and take a look at BEN. 00:23:52.020 --> 00:23:52.780 - Follow us. 00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:59.140 - BEN is the autonomous surface vehicle that we've been using throughout this expedition if you're just joining us. 00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:07.700 Alright, and here we have, you can see the Rogers City marina. 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:10.540 - It is windy. 00:24:11.100 --> 00:24:12.060 Sorry about the sound, 00:24:12.060 --> 00:24:14.060 but we wanted you to see BEN for sure. 00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:17.560 - And they are in there performing some maintenance on it. 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:19.360 - Okay. 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:27.180 - 13 feet long hooked with sonar equipment to get the data processed that we saw earlier with Erin. 00:24:27.180 --> 00:24:28.760 [Workers talking] 00:24:30.600 --> 00:24:31.640 Alright. 00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:37.000 We are all ready to wrap up this Facebook live. 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.900 Feel free to tune in to many other sanctuary expeditions on Nautilus live, 00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:46.120 and the potential for more Facebook lives in national marine sanctuaries as well. 00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:47.580 I hope you have a great rest of your day! 00:24:47.580 --> 00:24:48.860 Thanks for tuning in!